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[doctornick]

Overall, I didnt like the ending. I actually thought the show was decent in terms of being entertaining but with a completely unsatisfying ending. My bullet point thoughts…

- Thought Sol was the best character in the show, pretty justified in his actions, and didn’t deserve to be done dirty. Not only getting killed by having his name soiled.

- I didn’t buy the Osha change. Way too abrupt and didn’t fit. I don’t buy it and joining Qimir just didn’t make any sense.

- why the hell did they need to wipe Mae’s memory? Just all fly away together. Completely nonsensical. They could always drop off Mae somewhere else if need be

- could they explain what the heck is up with Bazil? His actions didn’t follow any obvious logic but drive the plot a good bit. Is there any reason he and Sol didn’t just talk? Weird

- I just hate this descent of making Jedi look bad. They should be haughty and with hubris. But always doing the right thing and not morally grey.

- I hate vanestra. She just is so annoying and looks weird too. I wish she had died almost all the characters.

- Qimir is the only living character who I’m interested in seeing more of. Curious about his backstory. I wouldn’t care if Osha and Mae died off screen.

I thought it was better than Boba Fett, about on par with Obi Wan. More fun but less quality than Andor. Ashoka and Mando still are the best SW live action shows.

 

[erasure fan1]

No one said anything about a "hate network".

And yes, there are comments that come across as sexist and homophobic. Note the disdain for the notion that it could have been two women involved together some way.

You realize the quote from @Mike S is pointing out hypocrisy right? He saying that if Mae was shown with, lets say, a bra and panties, it would have been an issue. But Yord and Qimere, beefcake Kylo? No issues. In no way is that casual sexism. The other comment is saying he's surprised that it wasn't a woman scantily clad. It's not sexist, it's something that would never happen.

You actually being against his comment could very much be argued as the casual sexism.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Me a ahill? Good lord…

I officially welcome you to the Pixie Dusters Club of those whose critical posts are conveniently forgotten when you defend anything Disney.

 

[Mike S]

You realize the quote from @Mike S is pointing out hypocrisy right? He saying that if Mae was shown with, lets say, a bra and panties, it would have been an issue. But Yord and Qimere, beefcake Kylo? No issues. In no way is that casual sexism. The other comment is saying he's surprised that it wasn't a woman scantily clad. It's not sexist, it's something that would never happen.

You actually being against his comment could very much be argued as the casual sexism.

My point was actually how all these people would be against “toxic men” which I would be too btw as my cousins have dated plenty of them and are now married to actually good ones, but then turn around and make a show where a girl is seduced by the epitome of evil in this universe, a Sith, and then they even talk about how tragic it is knowing they won’t actually get a “happily ever after” since every Star Wars fan knows there can only be two Sith at a time. It’s a blatant exposure of hypocrisy.

Your point is good too. The female gaze?

The male gaze?

 

[erasure fan1]

My point was actually how all these people would be against “toxic men” which I would be too btw as my cousins have dated plenty of them and are now married to actually good ones, but then turn around and make a show where a girl is seduced by the epitome of evil in this universe, a Sith, and then they even talk about how tragic it is knowing they won’t actually get a “happily ever after” since every Star Wars fan knows there can only be two Sith at a time. It’s a blatant exposure of hypocrisy.

Your point is good too. The female gaze?

The male gaze?

Thank you for the clarification. Either way, it wasn't said as a sexist or homophobic comment like what was implied. Unless it was, and I totally misjudged you.

 

[Mike S]

Thank you for the clarification. Either way, it wasn't said as a sexist or homophobic comment like what was implied. Unless it was, and I totally misjudged you.

The personal story I included should make my stance pretty clear lol

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Wait, Loki is hot? In what universe?

Are you kidding? Did you miss the reaction to the shirtless Loki trailer for that series? lol

Or are you just unaware of the massive Hiddles fandom because of that role? Take a deeper dive into the internet sometime. Or don't.

Loki has more women chasing after him on Campus than Spider-Man has shrieking toddlers.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Loki has more women chasing after him on Campus than Spider-Man has shrieking toddlers.

What if it was Spider-Man and Elsa?

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

What if it was Spider-Man and Elsa?

Might be a toss-up

 

[Phroobar]

What if it was Spider-Man and Elsa?

Spider-Elsa

 

[C33Mom]

Spider-Elsa

We need a hard ticket event where you can meet princesses dressed as Marvel characters and Avengers dressed as princesses (or villains).

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Phroobar]

 

[Screamface]

Overall, I didnt like the ending. I actually thought the show was decent in terms of being entertaining but with a completely unsatisfying ending. My bullet point thoughts…

- Thought Sol was the best character in the show, pretty justified in his actions, and didn’t deserve to be done dirty. Not only getting killed by having his name soiled.

- I didn’t buy the Osha change. Way too abrupt and didn’t fit. I don’t buy it and joining Qimir just didn’t make any sense.

- why the hell did they need to wipe Mae’s memory? Just all fly away together. Completely nonsensical. They could always drop off Mae somewhere else if need be

The show felt like a bunch of ideas just strung together whether it made sense or not. As if the write had some ideas and wrote down a bunch of scenes and ideas and forced them together whether it made sense or not. Mae's memory being wiped is because the idea of season two was to try and reverse the positions of the twins. Whether it made sense to do so or not. It felt forced.

The reveal of Qmir was to have a mystery, whether or not it made sense. Especially with the reversal of the twins positions. So how exactly was Mae trained by Qmir and not know it was him, but he doesn't hide it with Osha. Never mind. It was never thought out. Just basic ideas for scenes.

The most basic example I can think of is the idea of Osha standing over a dead Jedi. Did she kill him? There are twins. The mystery of who is killing them. Is it Osha? I can see how you would conceive of this scene. It just doesn't do anything for the viewer when you already know the mystery. See the murder. Then the show immediately removes all doubt for characters as Yord goes, "it wasn't here." The whole show is like that. Just ideas that don't work and poorly implemented. Osha is put on prison ship. Everyone escapes. She's captured again.

- could they explain what the heck is up with Bazil? His actions didn’t follow any obvious logic but drive the plot a good bit.

Leslye said in an interview it was to give Bazil a "hero" moment. I'll leave it up to you to judge how that tracked how you were following the show, story and characters.

- I just hate this descent of making Jedi look bad. They should be haughty and with hubris. But always doing the right thing and not morally grey.

People took the lines of General Motti and Han referring to the Jedi as a religion a bit too seriously. Not in the context of where they are under imperial rule and propaganda. Where it's dismissed as a hockey old religion.

So then it becomes some strange Catholic Church, Cult, Religion that are also space cops under the Republic. It was all a bit off. I couldn't say I could clearly define the Jedi but that wasn't it.

- I hate vanestra. She just is so annoying and looks weird too. I wish she had died almost all the characters.

- Qimir is the only living character who I’m interested in seeing more of. Curious about his backstory. I wouldn’t care if Osha and Mae died off screen.

Qmir is interesting because we know the least about him. That's probably for the best.

I can't be alone in thinking Vanestra was a bit of a bait and switch by her wife to give her a bigger role going forward. I said it, don't hate me. She was a bad character seemingly elevated for the next season.

I thought it was better than Boba Fett, about on par with Obi Wan. More fun but less quality than Andor. Ashoka and Mando still are the best SW live action shows.

Ashoka needed a better pace and more story. It was fine. Mando season 3 I hope was just an aberration. Boba Fett, something was just off. Robery Rodreiguize is better than the direction and edition of that. I don't think he's past his prime because Alita: Battle Angel was really good. I just wonder if after the first few seasons of Mando, everyone thought it was figured out and got really lazy with that and Mando s3.
Kenobi is a whole other discussion that I won't waste here. Many similar flaws to this. If the theatrical script leaks are true. That's crazy what they did to it. This at least had better directing.
Andor is still the best.

 

[erasure fan1]

She was a bad character seemingly elevated for the next season.

Yea, she was poorly developed and acted as well. I found her the least interesting of the bunch.

I just wonder if after the first few seasons of Mando, everyone thought it was figured out and got really lazy with that and Mando s3.

I think Mando season 3 was up ended by the Gina Carano debacle. She was supposed to have a much bigger role going forward. So it felt like they had to retool the show around the fact that she wouldn't be there. And I'm guessing Disney didn't give them any extra time to get it done right.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Anyone thinking that average at best actress Gina Carano was a key element of the success of the Mandalorian is living in a different world.

If the character's purpose was really that important they could have brought in another character to fill the role.

 

[erasure fan1]

Anyone thinking that average at best actress Gina Carano was a key element of the success of the Mandalorian is living in a different world.

If the character's purpose was really that important they could have brought in another character to fill the role.

Baby yoda was the key, we all know that. No one said she was the key to the success. But you could tell the 3rd season was all sorts of inconsistent. They were building the character for a spin off, rangers of the new Republic. So she obviously was going to factor into season 3. So either Jon forgot how to make a show, or they had to make adjustments quickly and it didn't work so well.

Gina did one thing really well. She could play the rough and tumble character extremely well. She knows how to fight and it shows. Her fight scenes were all believable. So just because she's not some award winning actress. Doesn't mean having to write her out of the season would have no negative outcome for the show.

 

[C33Mom]

Baby yoda was the key, we all know that. No one said she was the key to the success. But you could tell the 3rd season was all sorts of inconsistent. They were building the character for a spin off, rangers of the new Republic. So she obviously was going to factor into season 3. So either Jon forgot how to make a show, or they had to make adjustments quickly and it didn't work so well.

Gina did one thing really well. She could play the rough and tumble character extremely well. She knows how to fight and it shows. Her fight scenes were all believable. So just because she's not some award winning actress. Doesn't mean having to write her out of the season would have no negative outcome for the show.

I liked her character, but I also feel like they could have just recast the same character with a new actress. The Mandalorian Princess character grew on me over time.

 

[erasure fan1]

I liked her character, but I also feel like they could have just recast the same character with a new actress.

They could have for sure. Tinfoil hat time, but if I had to bet, they didn't want to recast. If they recast, that means she was infact fired. The way they did it, they just had a "change of direction" and they had no further plans for the character so they didn't renew the contract. And if I was a betting man, I'd bet that comes up in court. I think it was more of a CYA move on Disney/lucasfilms part.

 

[Willmark]

They could have for sure. Tinfoil hat time, but if I had to bet, they didn't want to recast. If they recast, that means she was infact fired. The way they did it, they just had a "change of direction" and they had no further plans for the character so they didn't renew the contract. And if I was a betting man, I'd bet that comes up in court. I think it was more of a CYA move on Disney/lucasfilms part.

It’s certainly interesting.

There is a contingent that maintains that her firing “is no big deal.”

Disney fighting it says otherwise. If they were smart they would settle, they still might. If they go to trial? Certainly a risk and an option to do so, but I’m not sure it’s the most optimal move.