SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

BrianLo

BrianLo

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flynnibus said:
I didn't bury it - but this wasn't the first murder in the mix... which is why I didn't focus on it. I mean I know it's relevant, but the conflict was more about the years of lying rather than the death of her mother at his hands IMHO. Remember, before this moment she blamed HER OWN SISTER for the death of her mother and even after learning Mae is still alive, AND MURDERING MORE PEOPLE in cold blood... she didn't want to kill Mae... and even struggled to even pin her down to be captured. So the killing of her mother wasn't enough to make Osha snap... but the betrayal of what she had been lead to believe and now hanging it all on sol as an individual.

My take on it... YMMV
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Completely, the character lead up is what made it too abrupt. Not the actual motivating event.

Should have made it more apparent she was kicked out of the Jedi due to ‘grief’ over her mother and a sense of revenge for her sister and made her less of the light sister, but both of them more grey from the get go. More resentful over being kicked out, than idolizing them the first episode.

Plus a little sprinkling of seeing a vision of what Venestra did to Qmir while wearing the helmet would have set her more onto his side, further her falling out with the Jedi, in the episode prior. Because it makes sense for her to murder Sol, but it doesn’t really make sense retrospectively for her to support Qmir after Jecki and Yord.

Sort of the sequel problem when the female lead wants to fix the hot bad boy. But we need more of the sympathetic, pity hook - to understand them as an antihero.
 
MarvelCharacterNerd

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Serpico Jones said:
I didn’t buy the pivot either. I also didn’t buy that she would follow the person who murdered Jecki and Yord.
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I'm just gonna leave this here...
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flynnibus

flynnibus

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BrianLo said:
Should have made it more apparent she was kicked out of the Jedi due to ‘grief’ over her mother and a sense of revenge for her sister and made her less of the light sister, but both of them more grey from the get go. More resentful over being kicked out, than idolizing them the first episode.
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My take away was she presented all along that she wanted to be Jedi... even resenting that she wasn't able to be one. But she is the one that ultimately addresses to us it was her inability to get past that grief and anger about her family that caused her to not be Jedi. That is essentially said by Osha herself. Yes it's late in the series, but they had been hinting at it along the way and ultimately using her dialogue to cement this near the end.. I think is part of the setting up the stakes that are on the line with the pivotal climax with sol. It's more of 'what was at stake' with sol's deception. Not only was it the truth about her mother, but her failure to be a Jedi was also falsely rooted in sol's deception, etc.

BrianLo said:
Plus a little sprinkling of seeing a vision of what Venestra did to Qmir while wearing the helmet would have set her more onto his side, further her falling out with the Jedi, in the episode prior. Because it makes sense for her to murder Sol, but it doesn’t really make sense retrospectively for her to support Qmir after Jecki and Yord.
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The shift to her being the trainee is really a convoluted plot to me. I am unclear how much of it was supposed to be a 'take me, not mai' vs a 'complete the revenge path' vs a 'new enlightenment, doing what the jedi hide from me'. I'm not even really convinced she is committed to it. I found that part of the story hard to come to grips with. I couldn't tell if the ambiguity was by design, or just sloppy.

BrianLo said:
Sort of the sequel problem when the female lead wants to fix the hot bad boy. But we need more of the sympathetic, pity hook - to understand them as an antihero.
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I still think Qimir is just a tool of the story motion between the twins and not really much of the story itself. Tho the Director says diving into he and Vernestra was an ambition and also a potential for the s2 focus. I think it would be a huge dead-end tho if they abandoned Osha's story from here.

Tho given all the negativity.. I'm sure they can just as easily turn to another gamble vs continue this. Everyone wants big hits... and can't live with just content that is just agreeable.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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flynnibus said:
I didn't bury it - but this wasn't the first murder in the mix... which is why I didn't focus on it. I mean I know it's relevant, but the conflict was more about the years of lying rather than the death of her mother at his hands IMHO. Remember, before this moment she blamed HER OWN SISTER for the death of her mother and even after learning Mae is still alive, AND MURDERING MORE PEOPLE in cold blood... she didn't want to kill Mae... and even struggled to even pin her down to be captured. So the killing of her mother wasn't enough to make Osha snap... but the betrayal of what she had been lead to believe and now hanging it all on sol as an individual.

My take on it... YMMV
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I disagree. 1. It was her sister. 2. She thought her mother dying was from the fire, perhaps inadvertently. That’s different from a guy on a crusade intentionally disrupts your family, kills your mother on purpose, demonizes your sister (and tells you she’s dead) and then lies to you every day. That’s enough for me to snap. I don’t have a lightsaber, but he might “accidentally” fall off a cliff.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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1. Sol really thought Mae was dead
2. Sol's killing of the mother wasn't pre-meditated (aka 'on purpose')

The point being she was already faced with confronting WHO SHE THOUGHT was responsible for killing her mother and her family... and it was difficult to even accept harming Mae over that.. so I don't think the killing of the mother is the essential piece that caused her to turn and kill sol. I still think it was the deception and what all the different outcomes that happened due to living under that deception. Again... YMMV
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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flynnibus said:
1. Sol really thought Mae was dead
2. Sol's killing of the mother wasn't pre-meditated (aka 'on purpose')

The point being she was already faced with confronting WHO SHE THOUGHT was responsible for killing her mother and her family... and it was difficult to even accept harming Mae over that.. so I don't think the killing of the mother is the essential piece that caused her to turn and kill sol. I still think it was the deception and what all the different outcomes that happened due to living under that deception. Again... YMMV
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Off the cliff. 🤣🤣
 
C

C33Mom

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flynnibus said:
1. Sol really thought Mae was dead
2. Sol's killing of the mother wasn't pre-meditated (aka 'on purpose')

The point being she was already faced with confronting WHO SHE THOUGHT was responsible for killing her mother and her family... and it was difficult to even accept harming Mae over that.. so I don't think the killing of the mother is the essential piece that caused her to turn and kill sol. I still think it was the deception and what all the different outcomes that happened due to living under that deception. Again... YMMV
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I think the ending would have made more sense if they made the child twins so Osha was obsessed with Mae and joining the witch coven and Mae was the one who wanted to be a Jedi. Then, everything proceeds the same except Mae starts murdering Jedi after watching Sol kill her mom, and Osha is brainwashed by Jedi to believe it’s all Mae’s fault and struggles (but fails) to become a Jedi. Then the betrayal at the end would seem far more massive.

With the plot the way they chose, it never made sense why they had to lie to Osha, they could have told her the slightly edited truth— she was already ready to leave and become a Jedi, the Jedis thought her family might kill her, and then a fight broke out when evil mom tried to stop the Jedi and tragedy ensued.
 
Willmark

Willmark

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Phroobar said:
It's amazing the lengths people will go though to justify bad writing. It's like the show was written on the fly and not revised or edited along the way. It's like the writers where isolated from each other except in big idea planning meetings. I'm not sure where $180m went. I can see that money in Fall Out but not here.
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I remain unconvinced that the showrunner didn't just use her campaign notes from Star Wars d20 TTRPG and make it in TV show.
 
MarvelCharacterNerd

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Mike S said:
Gotta love the “forget he’s literally evil, HE’S HOT!!!” messaging.

Very pro-women and anti toxic masculinity Disney 👍

Bunch of god damn hypocrites lol
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I mean, why do you think Loki is one of the most popular characters in Marvel? Or for that matter, why are Marilyn Monroe, young Elvis, and James Dean still iconic?

People like pretty people. 🤷‍♂️
 

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