SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[Disney Irish]

I think you both have gone a long way around of just trying to say 'objectivity' - the ability to separate yourself or personal beliefs/stake from your assessment. It's that simple.

Honestly I don't think objectivity over Disneywas an issue with anything in this thread. The problem was many couldn't differentiate between apathy and dislike... or worse.. taking criticism of critiques as defense OF THE SHOW... or in the case of spam-a-lot.. Defense of Disney's management of Star Wars.

Meanwhile.. discussion about the actual script, characters, and how the show was constructed is lost because people dumb their retorts down to arguing you must be defending Disney. Meanwhile, people like me didn't really like the show. That doesn't mean all criticism is now valid and unleash anything and everything as long as it's anti-Acolyte.

I mean come on... this isn't the Nintendo vs Sega fanboi threads of the 80s. Do better people.

I don't disagree, I just think it hard for people to be completely objective, or even somewhat objective, when talking about things they like/love. Whereas, like I mentioned, its very easy to be critical of something if you don't like it.

My overall opinion, and its the reason why you don't see me rage posting here, life is too short. If you don't enjoy it, so be it, move on and find something else. I rather post about the things I like than spend cycles of my life posting about why I hate/dislike something. There is enough negativity in the world, no reason I need to add to it. If some call that being a "shill" or "not being honest" or whatever, so be it. But that doesn't sum me up, they don't know me.

 

[flynnibus]

My overall opinion, and its the reason why you don't see me rage posting here, life is too short. If you don't enjoy it, so be it, move on and find something else. I rather post about the things I like than spend cycles of my life posting about why I hate/dislike something.

Exactly.. which is ironically a point brought up in this very thread and people were stumped that people didn't want to go in circles over the same stuff over and over and were ready to look for the next thing. This is part of the toxicity I mentioned. There is nothing to win here... there is no war or people to conquer. Discuss what was there and if you found this product not entertaining, you moved onto something else to be entertained with.

Moving on isn't complacency - it's putting your energy into something better.

I think shehulk was the dumbest thing Disney has done in DTC to date... I don't need to keep telling everyone that until they agree with me or keep shehulk threads alive just so everyone knows... I'll discuss it where appropriate.

But some people will keep that stuff on hot standby to whip out every 10mins when discussing something completely different. It's like bringing up film 1941 when ever someone has something to say about Jurrasic Park or Back to the Future.. they moved on... many others simply can't. And BTW.. I like 1941 too.. come at me

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

12 year old kids today don’t give two s**ts about SW. Make content for your main demo that spends money on SW. 30+ years old and probably 70% males.
They have maybe the most valuable brand in film but they aren’t content with the demo which is not diverse enough for them.
And the number of hardcore SW fans they thought would eat up whatever they sh** out is shrinking

 

[Disney Irish]

12 year old kids today don’t give two s**ts about SW. Make content for your main demo that spends money on SW. 30+ years old and probably 70% males.
They have maybe the most valuable brand in film but they aren’t content with the demo which is not diverse enough for them.
And the number of hardcore SW fans they thought would eat up whatever they sh** out is shrinking

Problem with that is that is also a shrinking market.

There is a reason why Disney is been releasing a bunch of SW cartoons over the last few years, like Young Jedi Adventures. Unless you really think they made that specifically for 30+ yr old males....

 

[erasure fan1]

I think you're asking too much of people. You're literally asking them to say what they like/love is inferior to something else, that is very hard for people. That might be something you can accept, but that is not something the vast majority of people can accept. Its very easy to be critical of something when you don't like it, its hard to do the same when its something you actually like/love, even when the majority says you're wrong. This is usually when people dig in their heels and defends even harder because now it a matter of pride because many are saying they're wrong.

I see what you're saying. I guess it's really not that hard for me sperate. When the absolute majority is on the other side, it's not hard for me to see I'm the outlier. I'm not asking anyone to change what they like/enjoy... I'm not even asking them to defend it. But like in my example, yea, my being critical of the storytelling is somehow WAYYYY off base. It would be like me calling someone dumb for critiquing space mountain because it's too rough. Everyone knows it, most everyone agrees with it. If I find getting banged around while on it fun. Great for me. But trying to call someone out for it, that's the dumb thing. I don't think it's all the big of an ask really.

This is when more understanding is needed in my opinion. Too many are too quick to label people because its just easier than trying to understand where the other is coming from, and it happens on all sides. This is why I don't like labeling people as "shills", "dusters", or even "haters", as once that label is given it makes people close minded and unwilling to understand where that person is coming from, because "oh they're just a shill".

I get that too. But more understanding is a two way street. I don't need to understand someone who is hell bent on defending Disney in this situation and just has problem with me because they've decided to label me a hater. I fully understand when people have an opinion contrary to mine. It doesn't bother me until situations like I've been talking about happen.

 

[Disney Irish]

I see what you're saying. I guess it's really not that hard for me sperate. When the absolute majority is on the other side, it's not hard for me to see I'm the outlier. I'm not asking anyone to change what they like/enjoy... I'm not even asking them to defend it. But like in my example, yea, my being critical of the storytelling is somehow WAYYYY off base. It would be like me calling someone dumb for critiquing space mountain because it's too rough. Everyone knows it, most everyone agrees with it. If I find getting banged around while on it fun. Great for me. But trying to call someone out for it, that's the dumb thing. I don't think it's all the big of an ask really.

I get that too. But more understanding is a two way street. I don't need to understand someone who is hell bent on defending Disney in this situation and just has problem with me because they've decided to label me a hater. I fully understand when people have an opinion contrary to mine. It doesn't bother me until situations like I've been talking about happen.

Well maybe in this case you're more of an outlier than you realize.

While I would hope we all strive for a little more understanding, especially in person, on social media where everyone is nameless faceless avatars its easy to just dig in and defend your position no matter what side you fall on. This is why I'm saying you might be asking, or more precisely expecting, too much from most people. Its might be easy for you, not so much for everyone else.

This is why I go back to this.....

My overall opinion, and its the reason why you don't see me rage posting here, life is too short. If you don't enjoy it, so be it, move on and find something else. I rather post about the things I like than spend cycles of my life posting about why I hate/dislike something. It makes life to much easier when you just let things like this go.

 

[erasure fan1]

I think shehulk was the dumbest thing Disney has done in DTC to date... I don't need to keep telling everyone that until they agree with me or keep shehulk threads alive just so everyone knows... I'll discuss it where appropriate.

Oh I guarantee you have something to say if during a discussion if someone says, if only Andor was as well put together show as she hulk. You aren't the person to just let that slide on by.

Problem with that is that is also a shrinking market.

There is a reason why Disney is been releasing a bunch of SW cartoons over the last few years, like Young Jedi Adventures. Unless you really think they made that specifically for 30+ yr old males....

Here's where I see it a bit different. Star wars came out in the 70s. It's never had a problem gaining new generations of fans. This "shrinking of original fans" narrative seems to be a Disney manufactured thing. Go back to before Disney purchased lucasfilm. I'm not sure how many star wars events you went to. But in all my comic conventions, toy shows, star wars events like star wars weekends, star wars nights at sporting events... One thing that always amazed me was how many new young fans there always were.

I know it gets poo-pooed a lot around here. But before the sequels I was seeing plenty of kids at my kids Halloween parades as luke, vader, Leia, storm troopers, boba Fett, Jedi... We're talking about generations of kids interested in a nearly 50yr old franchise. I'm not saying you never do anything new. You just don't need to change the fundamentals of star wars in order for it to gain a new audience. Especially when the old audience was stronger than ever before the sequels. The force awakens proves it. If the fan base was at all shrinking, that movie does not hit as hard as it did in my opinion.

 

[erasure fan1]

Well maybe in this case you're more of an outlier than you realize.

Touche. That is true.

My overall opinion, and its the reason why you don't see me rage posting here, life is too short. If you don't enjoy it, so be it, move on and find something else. I rather post about the things I like than spend cycles of my life posting about why I hate/dislike something.

I agree. That's the funny part, I wasn't raging over it. I was actually sticking up for it for the most part and giving it the benefit of the doubt by reserving my judgement till I had seen the whole show.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh I guarantee you have something to say if during a discussion if someone says, if only Andor was as well put together show as she hulk. You aren't the person to just let that slide on by.

Here's where I see it a bit different. Star wars came out in the 70s. It's never had a problem gaining new generations of fans. This "shrinking of original fans" narrative seems to be a Disney manufactured thing. Go back to before Disney purchased lucasfilm. I'm not sure how many star wars events you went to. But in all my comic conventions, toy shows, star wars events like star wars weekends, star wars nights at sporting events... One thing that always amazed me was how many new young fans there always were.

I know it gets poo-pooed a lot around here. But before the sequels I was seeing plenty of kids at my kids Halloween parades as luke, vader, Leia, storm troopers, boba Fett, Jedi... We're talking about generations of kids interested in a nearly 50yr old franchise. I'm not saying you never do anything new. You just don't need to change the fundamentals of star wars in order for it to gain a new audience. Especially when the old audience was stronger than ever before the sequels. The force awakens proves it. If the fan base was at all shrinking, that movie does not hit as hard as it did in my opinion.

My point was that you don't just make content for the 30+ yr old male market only as that poster was saying. How they want to capture the younger generations is the part that can be debated, I think the Young Jedi Adventures series is pretty good, but you don't just stop making content for every other market.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Problem with that is that is also a shrinking market.

There is a reason why Disney is been releasing a bunch of SW cartoons over the last few years, like Young Jedi Adventures. Unless you really think they made that specifically for 30+ yr old males....

The ironic thing is I think it's the SW shows intended for the adult audience that are the ones struggling. The cartoons have been fairly well received, it's the live action shows like Obi Wan, Bobba Fett, the Acolyte, etc that are struggling to find an audience.

I'm an old guy and I prefer the cartoons to anything they've made recently (Mandalorian being the lone exception). I've watched every episode of the Clone wars, the Freemaker adventures, SW Rebels, SW Resistance, the bad batch, the Tales of the Jedi, etc... I have no idea what audience the new live action shows are meant to appeal to though, they are changing them too much to appeal to the OG audience but they aren't really connecting with kids either... it feels like they're just throwing everything at the wall hoping something will stick with someone.

 

[erasure fan1]

My point was that you don't just make content for the 30+ yr old male market only as that poster was saying. How they want to capture the younger generations is the part that can be debated, I think the Young Jedi Adventures series is pretty good, but you don't just stop making content for every other market.

That's the question. I'm of the mindset that the formula wasn't broken. Star wars was very universal. It didn't matter, male, female, young, old and everything in between. It does skew more male, but that never stopped women from enjoying it. The key is quality storytelling and focusing on the key components of star wars. The look and feel, the themes... You can broaden the base without, I guess you could say, going after that base. It's a very fine line that I think Favreau navigated great in the first two seasons of Mando.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There’s some twatter blips out there that kath is sticking around…

Let’s all pray and rejoice

 

[Disney Irish]

There’s some twatter blips out there that kath is sticking around…

Let’s all pray and rejoice

I'll believe it when its actually reported in the main stream and not on some Twitter post. As we inch closer to the end of the year it'll come out if its true, or nothing will happen and she'll retire as expected.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'll believe it when its actually reported in the main stream and not on some Twitter post. As we inch closer to the end of the year it'll come out if its true, or nothing will happen and she'll retire as expected.

I don’t believe it…but I’ll keep the ears up

The gyst of it is: “since multiple projects are in production…she CANT leave now”

That’s like page 1 of the lame @$$ iger excuse book


ONLY
I
CAN
DO
IT
!!!!!!

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t believe it…but I’ll keep the ears up

The gyst of it is: “since multiple projects are in production…she CANT leave now”

That’s like page 1 of the lame @$$ iger excuse book


ONLY
I
CAN
DO
IT
!!!!!!

There is only one rumor I've seen, and its from that doofus that calls himself a "Pro", is that she wants to retire (change from his previous claims that she was getting fired for the last 6 years) and that the only reason she'd stay on a short term basis beyond her contract is to go out with a win.

 

[DKampy]

I’m sorry

The Truth should have this day and every day

Opinions are not facts…. All films and TV series are subjective…. Just cause someone get’s enjoyment from media that you don’t does not make them wrong

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

There is only one rumor I've seen, and its from that doofus that calls himself a "Pro", is that she wants to retire (change from his previous claims that she was getting fired for the last 6 years) and that the only reason she'd stay on a short term basis beyond her contract is to go out with a win.

KK could retire 10 years from now and people will be screaming "I told you so!".

 

[easyrowrdw]

There is only one rumor I've seen, and its from that doofus that calls himself a "Pro", is that she wants to retire (change from his previous claims that she was getting fired for the last 6 years) and that the only reason she'd stay on a short term basis beyond her contract is to go out with a win.

I was off these boards for a few years, but one thing I remember from before was that guy saying the Kennedy was about to be fired

 

[Disney Irish]

I was off these boards for a few years, but one thing I remember from before was that guy saying the Kennedy was about to be fired

Any day now.....

 

[MisterPenguin]

Any day now.....

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