SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[Disney Irish]

No matter how some may try to spin it, the Acolyte was a flop.

I don't think anyone here said otherwise, it was a flop especially for a SW series. Some posters like @BrianLo and @MisterPenguin were just trying to add some context into the situation.

The majority of SW fans did not like it enough to continue watching. People can argue about “not real fans” all they want. Doesn’t erase the facts.

Again, I don't think anyone here ever claimed anything about "not real fans" in terms of the viewership.

 

[BrianLo]

No matter how some may try to spin it, the Acolyte was a flop.

This is not meant to be a defense of Acolyte post. Just so it isn’t confused as such.

Clearly leading with my warning was not strong enough. Acolyte was a failure, it was clearly meant to have a second season and was cancelled due to insufficient viewership.

What I was trying to explain was how it cannot and will not be written off. It did not underperform sufficiently to those levels to have anything to write down. It's semantics, but we are parsing out failure and flop - the latter of which, to me, implies almost no traction at all was achieved. See Strange World.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

I don't understand how KK or whoever saw the script for Acolyte and thought, "yeah lets slap the SW badge on this and spend a TON of money on it"

 

[erasure fan1]

I don't understand how KK or whoever saw the script for Acolyte and thought, "yeah lets slap the SW badge on this and spend a TON of money on it"

Because Kennedy is in no way a creative. It's been the issue with most all of the Disney star wars in my opinion. As far as the ton of money, I'm not sure why that happened. There is no world where the Acolyte deserved a budget double Obi-wans. You give a show like Acolyte no more than 80mil. Then number expectations allow for a season two. It really doesn't matter at this point. Because with a screenplay like they had, it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway. 50mil or 300mil, it wouldn't matter.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I don't understand how KK or whoever saw the script for Acolyte and thought, "yeah lets slap the SW badge on this and spend a TON of money on it"

It highlights the problem of having too many likeminded people in the room and silencing dissenting voices, if everyone in the room is afraid of being called an “…ist” for daring to say a script is bad you end up with bad scripts.

Judging by the fact Disney continues to blame “toxic fans” rather than themselves for their failures they still don’t seem to recognize they are approving bad scripts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We were talking about her not leaving at the end of her contract. I wasn't talking about this very second.

There’s no way to bank on that

This is the worst case of corporate hubris maybe in history

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Because Kennedy is in no way a creative. It's been the issue with most all of the Disney star wars in my opinion. As far as the ton of money, I'm not sure why that happened. There is no world where the Acolyte deserved a budget double Obi-wans. You give a show like Acolyte no more than 80mil. Then number expectations allow for a season two. It really doesn't matter at this point. Because with a screenplay like they had, it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway. 50mil or 300mil, it wouldn't matter.

We know why this is…but it needs to be left unsaid to not stir it up

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It highlights the problem of having too many likeminded people in the room and silencing dissenting voices, if everyone in the room is afraid of being called an “…ist” for daring to say a script is bad you end up with bad scripts.

Judging by the fact Disney continues to blame “toxic fans” rather than themselves for their failures they still don’t seem to recognize they are approving bad scripts.

 

[flynnibus]

Judging by the fact Disney continues to blame “toxic fans” rather than themselves for their failures they still don’t seem to recognize they are approving bad scripts.

The toxicity is that they can't just let stuff go.

Studios literally live on low batting averages... they know not every film is going to be a hit... and they don't go on forever when a film doesn't land.

Yet many star wars 'fans' obsess over the failures more than they do the things they actually do like. They chastise others as not being 'real' fans if they don't share the same voracity for wanting to tear something down and keep stomping on it until everyone in the room tells them they are 100% right. In the social media era people spend so much time trying to get people to listen to them they end up spending all this energy on preaching instead of just having a discussion and then moving on until something new comes along to spark some new angle.

And this is not a defense of 'only sunshine' people... far from it. It's just a call out of 'we get it, you don't have to keep repeating yourself' nor does your voracity for tearing something apart define your aptitude nor credibility.

Too many 'fans' measure their fandom by their level of critical output and it's really not that interesting to others who aren't addicted the same way.

I'm not here still complaining about how kenner ruined star wars toys by refusing to update the vinyl figures to have articulating elbows, etc in the face of competition from GI Joe... just like I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is unless it's part of discussion of merit. There are no trophies for converting people...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The toxicity is that they can't just let stuff go.

Studios literally live on low batting averages... they know not every film is going to be a hit... and they don't go on forever when a film doesn't land.

Yet many star wars 'fans' obsess over the failures more than they do the things they actually do like. They chastise others as not being 'real' fans if they don't share the same voracity for wanting to tear something down and keep stomping on it until everyone in the room tells them they are 100% right. In the social media era people spend so much time trying to get people to listen to them they end up spending all this energy on preaching instead of just having a discussion and then moving on until something new comes along to spark some new angle.

And this is not a defense of 'only sunshine' people... far from it. It's just a call out of 'we get it, you don't have to keep repeating yourself' nor does your voracity for tearing something apart define your aptitude nor credibility.

Too many 'fans' measure their fandom by their level of critical output and it's really not that interesting to others who aren't addicted the same way.

I'm not here still complaining about how kenner ruined star wars toys by refusing to update the vinyl figures to have articulating elbows, etc in the face of competition from GI Joe... just like I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is unless it's part of discussion of merit. There are no trophies for converting people...

JHC….its Star Wars, not teenage mutant ninja turtles or the fast and the furious…

Use an appropriate measuring stick

Or more simply: stop making excuses for your mouse lord and just admit they have done an Inexcusable job of tanking the most bankable franchise in Hollywood history

 

[erasure fan1]

JHC….its Star Wars, not teenage mutant ninja turtles or the fast and the furious…

Use an appropriate measuring stick

Or more simply: stop making excuses for your mouse lord and just admit they have done an Inexcusable job of tanking the most bankable franchise in Hollywood history

Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive.

Dusters never had any dignity or self respect…thankfully they’re an endangered species

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Dusters never had an dignity or self respect…thankfully they’re an endangered species

I still miss being a duster, Disney was a lot more fun when I thought they could do no wrong. Sadly over the last few years they've made so many unpopular, if not outright horrible, decisions it's shocking anyone can still be a duster.

I envy dusters, it take's a lot of passion to overlook the stunning amount of terrible decisions Disney's made at the film, streaming, parks, and cruise level over the last few years, prior to 2019 I thought the Disney co was the pinnacle of success, post 2019 Disney has been the pinnacle of failure.

 

[flynnibus]

Yup - there is a reason those last few points are blank... same old rants without actually being on point to what was said. I guess death and taxes have new buddies to ride along.

 

[flynnibus]

Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive.

"Your idea to fix this is dumb and self defeating"
And
"The show is bad"

Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.

But... you keep going back to this well like it somehow bails out your dumb ideas... Show is canceled... see my rewrite suggestions have merit! No, that's not how it works.

This idea that I am somehow a shill is comedically bad and just shows how you all are dug into all the wrong things instead of any actual objective take. I'm one of the most negative people around.. and to think I'm a duster or some shill because I think your script critiques are crap is a horrible take. Yet.. you keep going with it. It's amusing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I still miss being a duster, Disney was a lot more fun when I thought they could do no wrong. Sadly over the last few years they've made so many unpopular, if not outright horrible, decisions it's shocking anyone can still be a duster.

I envy dusters, it take's a lot of passion to overlook the stunning amount of terrible decisions Disney's made at the film, streaming, parks, and cruise level over the last few years, prior to 2019 I thought the Disney co was the pinnacle of success, post 2019 Disney has been the pinnacle of failure.

It’s sad.

It used to be that they’d do something…get it done and you knew it would be of the highest quality…at least in parks

Now it’s this elaborate runaround with thinly veiled motives.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t bomb movies and make mistakes…but at least you didn’t question their motives.

 

[Disney Irish]

Dusters never had any dignity or self respect…thankfully they’re an endangered species

I'm sorry but just because one disagrees with you doesn't mean they don't have dignity or self respect, even if they are considered a "duster".

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"Your idea to fix this is dumb and self defeating"
And
"The show is bad"

Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.

But... you keep going back to this well like it somehow bails out your dumb ideas... Show is canceled... see my rewrite suggestions have merit! No, that's not how it works.

This idea that I am somehow a shill is comedically bad and just shows how you all are dug into all the wrong things instead of any actual objective take. I'm one of the most negative people around.. and to think I'm a duster or some shill because I think your script critiques are crap is a horrible take. Yet.. you keep going with it. It's amusing.

Here’s a tip: if you don’t want to be labeled a Disney shill…

Don’t use:
1. All movies bomb sometimes
And
2. Some people like it

In defense of what Disney is doing with that franchise.

Get serious

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm sorry but just because one disagrees with you doesn't mean they don't have dignity or self respect, even if they are considered a "duster".

I’m sorry

The Truth should have this day and every day

There is NEVER not a reason to make honest, accurate assessments of all of it. Both successes and failures. Both praise and criticism can be free flowing…IF warranted.

No excuses…whether your a fan, an employee, a shareholder, or someone’s babysitter…none

It doesn’t help…not Disney or any of us.

 

[erasure fan1]

Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.

Keep grasping. It was a bad take you trying to call me out then, and it's a worse take now since basically the world doesn't agree with you. The show was bad. I watched it twice to make sure I didn't miss something. Guess what? The storytelling is still bad, really bad, As well as most of the dialogue. The problems I said the show suffered from are 100% valid.