SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The toxicity is that they can't just let stuff go.

Studios literally live on low batting averages... they know not every film is going to be a hit... and they don't go on forever when a film doesn't land.

Yet many star wars 'fans' obsess over the failures more than they do the things they actually do like. They chastise others as not being 'real' fans if they don't share the same voracity for wanting to tear something down and keep stomping on it until everyone in the room tells them they are 100% right. In the social media era people spend so much time trying to get people to listen to them they end up spending all this energy on preaching instead of just having a discussion and then moving on until something new comes along to spark some new angle.

And this is not a defense of 'only sunshine' people... far from it. It's just a call out of 'we get it, you don't have to keep repeating yourself' nor does your voracity for tearing something apart define your aptitude nor credibility.

Too many 'fans' measure their fandom by their level of critical output and it's really not that interesting to others who aren't addicted the same way.

I'm not here still complaining about how kenner ruined star wars toys by refusing to update the vinyl figures to have articulating elbows, etc in the face of competition from GI Joe... just like I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is unless it's part of discussion of merit. There are no trophies for converting people...
JHC….its Star Wars, not teenage mutant ninja turtles or the fast and the furious…

Use an appropriate measuring stick

Or more simply: stop making excuses for your mouse lord and just admit they have done an Inexcusable job of tanking the most bankable franchise in Hollywood history
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
JHC….its Star Wars, not teenage mutant ninja turtles or the fast and the furious…

Use an appropriate measuring stick

Or more simply: stop making excuses for your mouse lord and just admit they have done an Inexcusable job of tanking the most bankable franchise in Hollywood history
Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive. :rolleyes:
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive. :rolleyes:
Dusters never had any dignity or self respect…thankfully they’re an endangered species
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Dusters never had an dignity or self respect…thankfully they’re an endangered species
I still miss being a duster, Disney was a lot more fun when I thought they could do no wrong. Sadly over the last few years they've made so many unpopular, if not outright horrible, decisions it's shocking anyone can still be a duster.

I envy dusters, it take's a lot of passion to overlook the stunning amount of terrible decisions Disney's made at the film, streaming, parks, and cruise level over the last few years, prior to 2019 I thought the Disney co was the pinnacle of success, post 2019 Disney has been the pinnacle of failure.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Yup - there is a reason those last few points are blank... same old rants without actually being on point to what was said. I guess death and taxes have new buddies to ride along.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Unfortunately you're talking to someone who says
"I won't be trying to convince everyone how bad a show is"
But will go after anyone who says the screenplay and storytelling wasn't good. So I guess convincing people it's good is just fine. You can say what you want, just as long as it's positive. :rolleyes:

"Your idea to fix this is dumb and self defeating"
And
"The show is bad"

Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.

But... you keep going back to this well like it somehow bails out your dumb ideas... Show is canceled... see my rewrite suggestions have merit! No, that's not how it works.

This idea that I am somehow a shill is comedically bad and just shows how you all are dug into all the wrong things instead of any actual objective take. I'm one of the most negative people around.. and to think I'm a duster or some shill because I think your script critiques are crap is a horrible take. Yet.. you keep going with it. It's amusing.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I still miss being a duster, Disney was a lot more fun when I thought they could do no wrong. Sadly over the last few years they've made so many unpopular, if not outright horrible, decisions it's shocking anyone can still be a duster.

I envy dusters, it take's a lot of passion to overlook the stunning amount of terrible decisions Disney's made at the film, streaming, parks, and cruise level over the last few years, prior to 2019 I thought the Disney co was the pinnacle of success, post 2019 Disney has been the pinnacle of failure.
It’s sad.

It used to be that they’d do something…get it done and you knew it would be of the highest quality…at least in parks

Now it’s this elaborate runaround with thinly veiled motives.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t bomb movies and make mistakes…but at least you didn’t question their motives.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
"Your idea to fix this is dumb and self defeating"
And
"The show is bad"

Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.

But... you keep going back to this well like it somehow bails out your dumb ideas... Show is canceled... see my rewrite suggestions have merit! No, that's not how it works.

This idea that I am somehow a shill is comedically bad and just shows how you all are dug into all the wrong things instead of any actual objective take. I'm one of the most negative people around.. and to think I'm a duster or some shill because I think your script critiques are crap is a horrible take. Yet.. you keep going with it. It's amusing.

Here’s a tip: if you don’t want to be labeled a Disney shill…

Don’t use:
1. All movies bomb sometimes
And
2. Some people like it

In defense of what Disney is doing with that franchise.

Get serious
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm sorry but just because one disagrees with you doesn't mean they don't have dignity or self respect, even if they are considered a "duster".
I’m sorry

The Truth should have this day and every day

There is NEVER not a reason to make honest, accurate assessments of all of it. Both successes and failures. Both praise and criticism can be free flowing…IF warranted.

No excuses…whether your a fan, an employee, a shareholder, or someone’s babysitter…none

It doesn’t help…not Disney or any of us.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Can both be correct at the same time. Just because someone doesn't like YOUR idea or YOUR critique doesn't mean they think the show is the opposite of your take. They are talking about YOUR COMMENT - not their take on the show.
Keep grasping. It was a bad take you trying to call me out then, and it's a worse take now since basically the world doesn't agree with you. The show was bad. I watched it twice to make sure I didn't miss something. Guess what? The storytelling is still bad, really bad, As well as most of the dialogue. The problems I said the show suffered from are 100% valid.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Keep grasping. It was a bad take you trying to call me out then, and it's a worse take now since basically the world doesn't agree with you. The show was bad. I watched it twice to make sure I didn't miss something. Guess what? The storytelling is still bad, really bad, As well as most of the dialogue. The problems I said the show suffered from are 100% valid.
Everything they’re doing with Star Wars is so dumbed down. Like they’re trying to put your brain asleep.

Wait…two gears. That one…or the one that wants to rewrite things NOBODY ever had a problem with…

Both dog doodoo

Yeah I know…George and Bob like to sell toys…and we need to disown the metal slave bikini

I get it…but do better.

They just suck at this
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’m sorry

The Truth should have this day and every day

There is NEVER not a reason to make honest, accurate assessments of all of it. Both successes and failures. Both praise and criticism can be free flowing…IF warranted.

No excuses…whether your a fan, an employee, a shareholder, or someone’s babysitter…none

It doesn’t help…not Disney or any of us.
But your assessment in all these threads is mostly just "Disney Star Wars Sucks, Iger Sucks, Kennedy Sucks, they ruined a money making franchise, get rid of them", after 25,000 posts of that we get it. Even on this page alone you've said some variation on these in every post. Do better.

Also some choose not to focus on the negative about things they love. That doesn't make them shills or dusters or any other jab you want to throw at them. It just means they don't want to deal in negativity. Because some rather discuss the positives in life rather than focus on the negatives.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Everything they’re doing with Star Wars is so dumbed down. Like they’re trying to put your brain asleep.

Wait…two gears. That one…or the one that wants to rewrite things NOBODY ever had a problem with…

Both dog doodoo

Yeah I know…George and Bob like to sell toys…and we need to disown the metal slave bikini

I get it…but do better.

They just suck at this
Its not written by Orson Welles, its Star Wars. Its a popcorn flick Saturday afternoon franchise. It doesn't have to be some smart franchise that makes you think, heck none of the OT made you think.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
The show obviously had its issues which didn't attract enough viewers which caused it to get cancelled. I personally enjoyed it, but see why others didn't.

Hopefully Skeleton Crew is better and garners both better viewership and a better reception from fans.
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
Everything they’re doing with Star Wars is so dumbed down. Like they’re trying to put your brain asleep.

Wait…two gears. That one…or the one that wants to rewrite things NOBODY ever had a problem with…

Both dog doodoo

Yeah I know…George and Bob like to sell toys…and we need to disown the metal slave bikini

I get it…but do better.

They just suck at this

At least they are consistent. The company acquires hot properties, begins assimilation

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and turns them into all into generic characters that may appear to be the same, but now are animated not like Pinocchio who had no strings to hold him down

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to objects no longer entertaining, but tied to Corporate Social Responsibility index numbers.

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flynnibus

Premium Member
In defense of what Disney is doing with that franchise.

Get serious

Here's a tip - get rid of the strawmen arguments.

You're the only one talking about Disney's management of the franchise... not me. You're literally just spewing stuff and then attacking people for not rallying behind you vs what is really happening... we're just ignoring your droning.

The recognition of toxic fans and where people spend their energy has zero to do with Disney's leadership or their management of the franchise. It's a byproduct of the society of today and the popularity of star wars.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Here's a tip - get rid of the strawmen arguments.

You're the only one talking about Disney's management of the franchise... not me. You're literally just spewing stuff and then attacking people for not rallying behind you vs what is really happening... we're just ignoring your droning.

The recognition of toxic fans and where people spend their energy has zero to do with Disney's leadership or their management of the franchise. It's a byproduct of the society of today and the popularity of star wars.
Go back to talking past me…and everyone else…and get to your shift.

Is that direct enough for you?

Anyone not recognizing the mismanagement is a fool…And in an ever shrinking minority even on fan sites
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Here's a tip - get rid of the strawmen arguments.

You're the only one talking about Disney's management of the franchise... not me. You're literally just spewing stuff and then attacking people for not rallying behind you vs what is really happening... we're just ignoring your droning.

The recognition of toxic fans and where people spend their energy has zero to do with Disney's leadership or their management of the franchise. It's a byproduct of the society of today and the popularity of star wars.
Different thread, same deluge of nonsense.
 


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