News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[MisterPenguin]

Was there anything specifically tying the ride (not the film) to Georgia? Brer Rabbit tales were spread all across America.

The ridiculous accents? The source material (c'mon, we're supposed to exclude that?)? The DL version not being given a faux Rockies paint job because it fit with New Orleans Square?

 

[MisterPenguin]

"America's Wild Frontier. Today, the old west to most of us means the southwestern states where cowboys roamed the range. In Georgia the “frontier” was a demarcation between the civilized settlements of the east, and the land considered wilderness beyond that."

Georgia was considered Frontier in the 1700's through 1800's. So it seems to fit pretty well.

Did Georgia look like "the frontier" in Gone with the Wind which was in the mid 1800s?

By 1820s-30s, steamships were up and down the Mississippi and St. Louis was being gentrified.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I’m not American, so I’ll have to defer to those who are, but I’m surprised by the claim that the nineteenth-century “Old South” is popularly considered to be the frontier. Do others here agree?

Typically, the frontier would be understood to be everything west of the Mississippi River. Although, those in New England (where I grew up), do tend to view things as "us" and "everywhere else" and lump the south (and the midwest) in with the remainder of the country west of the Mississippi River.

 

[LittleBuford]

Typically, the frontier would be understood to be everything west of the Mississippi River.

Like . . . Louisiana?

 

[Andrew C]

The ridiculous accents? The source material (c'mon, we're supposed to exclude that?)?

I have never thought "Georgia" about this ride at all..not once...until you all just reminded me where the movie was set.

 

[LittleBuford]

Alaska is still called "The Last Frontier", so I see no reason why parts of Georgia wouldn't have been in the 1800's.

Maps of the period show Georgia to be rather far from the frontier, however.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Like . . . Louisiana?

The part that was purchased in the Louisiana Purchase, yes.

 

[BrerFoxesBayouAdventure]

Country Bear is doing just fine without a known IP. Just like....

Big Thunder Railroad
Haunted Mansion
Space Mountain
Pirates (was)
Jungle Cruise (was)
Enchanted Tiki
It's a Small World
Tron (movies stink and failed at the box office)
Journey into Imagination
Test Track
Soarin
Tower of Terror (very old show)
Rock n Rollercoaster
Expedition Everest

and Splash Mountain before it kicked the bucket. I'd add in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride as that film faded from public consciousness.

 

[LittleBuford]

The part that was purchased in the Louisiana Purchase, yes.

I was being a bit cheeky and obliquely responding to the “Tiana doesn’t belong in Frontierland!” criticisms. Though to be fair, 1920s Louisiana is no more the frontier than 1860s Georgia.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I was being a bit cheeky and obliquely responding to the “Tiana doesn’t belong in Frontierland!” criticisms. Though to be fair, 1920s Louisiana is no more the frontier than 1860s Georgia.

Well, that's just it ... the "frontier" was the unexplored and unsettled portion of the United States west of the Mississippi River at the time the Louisiana Purchase was made. The key word being "unsettled." At the time the United States acquired New Orleans in 1803, the city had already been in existence (under the control of France and Spain) for 80+ years; it was hardly unsettled. Contrast this with the next major city to the west, Houston, that wasn't settled until the 1830s. In the southern part of the US, New Orleans served as the last great city before the frontier as the settlers and cowboy culture (popularized in Frontierland) moved west and tamed the remainder of the country.

 

[LittleBuford]

Well, that's just it ... the "frontier" was the unexplored and unsettled portion of the United States west of the Mississippi River at the time the Louisiana Purchase was made. The key word being "unsettled." At the time the United States acquired New Orleans in 1803, the city had already been in existence (under the control of France and Spain) for 80+ years; it was hardly unsettled. Contrast this with the next major city to the west, Houston, that wasn't settled until the 1830s. In the southern part of the US, New Orleans served as the last great city before the frontier as the settlers and cowboy culture (popularized in Frontierland) moved west and tamed the remainder of the country.

I think it's important to note that the lands you describe as "unsettled" already had populations before they were "tamed".

 

[MisterPenguin]

Alaska is still called "The Last Frontier", so I see no reason why parts of Georgia wouldn't have been in the 1800's.

Well, in that case, let's put a Lightyear attraction over there since space is the final frontier.

 

[Disney Analyst]

But not just any basket—one filled with goodies!

I discovered they were called Hampers (instead of gift basket) in the UK just this Christmas, as we sent one to my partners Brother and girlfriend, as they currently live in London on the 2 year visa.

 

[LittleBuford]

I discovered they were called Hampers (instead of gift basket) in the UK just this Christmas, as we sent one to my partners Brother and girlfriend, as they currently live in London on the 2 year visa.

I usually avoid terminology that is so specifically British as to be unintelligible to others, so I'm glad to know that I should add "hamper" to the list, where it will join "trolley" for "shopping cart" and "jumper" for "sweater".

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I think it's important to note that the lands you describe as "unsettled" already had populations before they were "tamed".

The people that were there previously were nomadic. It was still literally unsettled. The American settlers brought buildings (and with buildings they brought towns).

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I usually avoid terminology that is so specifically British as to be unintelligible to others, so I'm glad to know that I should add "hamper" to the list, where it will join "trolley" for "shopping cart" and "jumper" for "sweater".

In the United States, a hamper is a basket where people place their clothes after they've been worn, as they await being laundered.

 

[Kirby86]

Disney itself described the ride as “a Southern bayou”, and the whole thing seemed very Southern to me. Not that I minded—the same applies to the Country Bear Jamboree, which I love (obviously!). “Frontierland” has always been a bit of a misnomer given that Southern elements have been there from the start. Guests seem not have been bothered by this in the past, and I doubt they’ll be bothered by it once Tiana’s Bayou Adventure opens.

Honestly you go back far enough the western most parts of the 13 colonies were considered the frontier. But yeah Splash Mountain wasn't the modern day meaning of the frontier.

 

[LittleBuford]

In the United States, a hamper is a basket where people place their clothes after they've been worn, as they await being laundered.

I would call that a laundry basket, which, confusingly, is also the name I give to the (usually) plastic thing in which one carries clothes to and from the washing machine. (I believe Americans too call the latter a laundry basket.)

 

[LittleBuford]

The people that were there previously were nomadic. It was still literally unsettled. The American settlers brought buildings (and with buildings they brought towns).

My point was that the lands in question already had people living on them before sedentarisation.

 

[JoeCamel]

But not just any basket—one filled with goodies!

Also known as Pooh and Yogi's lunchbox

Splash too didn’t much belong—Georgia is hardly the frontier.

Have you been to north Georgia lately?