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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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TwilightZone

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Maybe it's a generation gap thing but I just do not like the idea of any full scale muppet ride. I like Kermit and the gang fine enough but a whole ride? Nah. :cautious:

For me replacing Splash with Coco (in WDW) is a no brainer to people like me who grew up after the Muppets prime...but maybe that's just me.
 

maemae74

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They built a business on the back of theme, invented the standard and to just lump it together and say its made up so why care discounts all the people that worked their whole careers to make sure everything you see works together to create an experience. To the op, things are in their place because they were designed with great thought and effort to be that way. The lot today takes a dump on all that hard work.
I don't disagree but unless we all just stop spending our money there the current leadership is going to continue to behave like this. Just like the old gray mare ain't what she used to be neither is WDW. So I personally can say I am spending my money else where or I suck it up enjoy the parks and resort as they are and keep trucking. Just like many I miss the old Disney where dark rides like Mr. Toad and Snow Whites Scary adventure they were beloved attractions but it is apparent no amount of complaining is going to stop the direction things are heading .
 
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Artemicon

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Frontier land is a bad spot for this ride. I wish they would have put it in liberty square or Main Street USA where it would make some sense, but in reality, It's not about making a good ride that's themed well in a good area, it's about deleting a 'problematic' ride and shoe horning an IP for inclusivity's sake. Just sucks they couldn't keep Splash Mountain and give Tiana her own ride, not a re-themed afterthought.
 

Sir_Cliff

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They built a business on the back of theme, invented the standard and to just lump it together and say its made up so why care discounts all the people that worked their whole careers to make sure everything you see works together to create an experience. To the op, things are in their place because they were designed with great thought and effort to be that way. The lot today takes a dump on all that hard work.
I think the disagreement here, though, is how strict the themes of the different lands in Magic Kingdom are in terms of representing specific times and places. To me, the genius of the model established at Disneyland is that it features a collection of themed lands broad enough to include a range of different experiences under an umbrella of, say, Adventure, the Frontier, Fantasy, and Tomorrow/the future. The complaints about Tiana not fitting seem to be retroactively imposing far stricter limits in terms of geographical (and geological) accuracy than ever existed in the park. Certainly far stricter than when they added Splash Mountain in the first place.

If anything, I think Disney has wandered too far away from this model to the other extreme of lands dedicated to one specific IP which really box them in regarding what they can add. Tomorrowland, for example, could feature Buzz Lightyear, Star Wars, Stitch, and, if it is a hit, an attraction from the new Strange World film. If Strange World is a hit, however, there's no place for it in the new 'lands' they are building such as Toy Story land, Galaxy's Edge, Pandora, Cars Land, etc.
 

Smiley/OCD

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We have no idea what quality the new version will be. Perhaps you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Well, if you think screens are awesome and audio animatronics are stupid and old fashioned, you’ll probably love it…as a matter of fact, there’s a group on here that even if the quality is a solid D compared to Splash, they will NEVER admit it.
 

Californian Elitist

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Frontier land is a bad spot for this ride. I wish they would have put it in liberty square or Main Street USA where it would make some sense, but in reality, It's not about making a good ride that's themed well in a good area, it's about deleting a 'problematic' ride and shoe horning an IP for inclusivity's sake. Just sucks they couldn't keep Splash Mountain and give Tiana her own ride, not a re-themed afterthought.
How would a ride with a story that takes place in 1920s New Orleans fit on Main Street or in Liberty Square?
 

Chip Chipperson

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What if Tiana's Bayou Adventure is Tiana leading a river tour while retelling the story of something that happened along that route in the 19th Century? That would make it a better fit for the land while also explaining why Tiana is there when her character exists after the time when Louisiana would be considered a new frontier.
 

LittleBuford

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Well, if you think screens are awesome and audio animatronics are stupid and old fashioned, you’ll probably love it…as a matter of fact, there’s a group on here that even if the quality is a solid D compared to Splash, they will NEVER admit it.
I don’t think those things and will candidly admit if the retheme fails to live up to its potential. Until we have something to praise or complain about, I refuse to let myself get mired in pessimism. Life’s too short for such doom and gloom.
 

LittleBuford

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The complaints about Tiana not fitting seem to be retroactively imposing far stricter limits in terms of geographical (and geological) accuracy than ever existed in the park. Certainly far stricter than when they added Splash Mountain in the first place.
Well said. And let’s recall that the source of many of Disneyland’s Splash Mountain animatronics—America Sings—was located in Tomorrowland of all places.
 

𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇

Long-Forgotten
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Yeah he hasn't been mentioned at all since the initial press release. I think Baxer being listed as an advisor was simply a way to shut up the "Save Splash Mountain" crowd. He probably had like one conversation where he shared some vague general ideas and nothing more.
He'll probably be rolled out to give his stamp of approval after a ride thru.
 
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Smiley/OCD

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Yeah he hasn't been mentioned at all since the initial press release. I think Baxer being listed as an advisor was simply a way to shut up the "Save Splash Mountain" crowd. He probably had like one conversation where he shared some vague general ideas and nothing more.
I agree, but just hope that he won’t be made a scapegoat if Tiana is not up to the same quality that SM is/was
 

Kamikaze

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I think the disagreement here, though, is how strict the themes of the different lands in Magic Kingdom are in terms of representing specific times and places. To me, the genius of the model established at Disneyland is that it features a collection of themed lands broad enough to include a range of different experiences under an umbrella of, say, Adventure, the Frontier, Fantasy, and Tomorrow/the future. The complaints about Tiana not fitting seem to be retroactively imposing far stricter limits in terms of geographical (and geological) accuracy than ever existed in the park. Certainly far stricter than when they added Splash Mountain in the first place.

If anything, I think Disney has wandered too far away from this model to the other extreme of lands dedicated to one specific IP which really box them in regarding what they can add. Tomorrowland, for example, could feature Buzz Lightyear, Star Wars, Stitch, and, if it is a hit, an attraction from the new Strange World film. If Strange World is a hit, however, there's no place for it in the new 'lands' they are building such as Toy Story land, Galaxy's Edge, Pandora, Cars Land, etc.
I'm more concerned about the fact that there aren't mountains in the bayou than how the ride fits into Frontierland or Critter Country.
 

Californian Elitist

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I'm more concerned about the fact that there aren't mountains in the bayou than how the ride fits into Frontierland or Critter Country.
As @LittleBuford pointed out, Splash Mountain is described as being set in a bayou on WDW’s website. Given that it’s been this way for many years now, I would assume that it’s likely not that big of a deal.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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The goal of the modern WDC as determined by CEO Bob Chapek and the board right now is to promote Disney+ and increase subscriptions while simultaneously driving parks attendance.

To be more specific: drive up attendance to the parks capacity, which is now locked at a lower capacity with the park reservation system, and even lower due to not being fully staffed. All that to make the parks run more efficiently (saving money) and giving guests a better experience (as opposed to being in an overcrowded park with not enough staff to serve everyone). And all that... to raise prices to compensate for lower capacity. At tactic which the quarterly reports are showing is working. If there is a tipping point for which they lose customers to a degree that hurts their bottom line, because of how expensive it is... they haven't found it yet.

But other than that, yes, streaming is top priority for the whole corporation.
 

Dear Prudence

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@BuzzedPotatoHead89 said it best when they said that this all boils down to Disney+, and that's it (minus the Scrooge McDuck slander ;p ). Tiana is getting a new show on Disney+. Which is fine. I think potentially basing a ride off of a Disney+ show is daring and might be the kind of bold move/ breath of fresh air needed. I am devested from Disney, but I hope that folks enjoy it.
 

Smiley/OCD

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If his voice and input was valued, he would have been featured in the many minutes of video released (and shot) recently, or even acknowledged in the presentation. He was not.
I think he was acknowledged only because he was the original imagineer on SM…how he really feels about the retheme we’ll probably never know. If he didn’t like it, he probably wouldn’t admit that either. I do hope he was consulted on it.
 
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