Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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englanddg

One Little Spark...
Folks who think fall begins in Central Florida in October really need to wait until November to visit.

How come DCL, run from Celebration Place and TDO, keeps getting better as a product while WDW keeps ...well, not?

Well, if I keep chattering here I might never get my Spirit Takes the Fifth thread up and running. Perhaps, I am just looking to hit one million on this thread so Dr. Blondie, Bland Tommy, Crazy Gary and Scary Steven will just love me like they do all the local lifestylers and the mommy bloggers, who every day contribute to killing Walt's Legacy just a bit more.

Finally, to the fanboi who brought me presents, especially the Orange Bird, thanks again. You didn't have to, but it means something that you did.

To the friend who brought me along for the first official cruise of the 're-imagined' MAGIC, you are one fine man, SS (or BB if you prefer).
I'll say this...and I'll know it's said often, and will be ignored...

But, I normally spend quite a bit at WDW, and have for the past 4 years (as has my family over the years)...and, after doing a Cruise, I'm not sure I even want to step back in the parks for more than a day or so, if that.

If Disney wants financials, I know I'm a drop in the bucket, but I'm also a profitable customer. While not as profitable as those who sign up for DVC (as I don't want to make a commitment like that), I can easily say that I've spent...a LOT of money at Disney the past few years. I purchase the deluxe dining plan, stay at moderates or above without shopping for "deals", and pretty much hope to get what I "pay for" on my trips.

Over the past few years I've noticed a decrease (on average, there have been improvements in some places which I am glad to tout if asked) of service, cast behaviors, attraction maintenance (something I'm rather keen to since I used to maintain attractions on a much smaller scale as well as animetronics, though not for Disney...and they do require a lot of TLC to keep up, regular TLC, not annual "closings" for maintenance, but a regular scheduled maintenance cycle...and, I'm still not sure why Disney hasn't moved some of it's older systems off of pneumatic to servos...but...that side rant left alone)...

The largest decline in JUST 4 years has been the hotels. The rooms are dirty, feel dirty, are poorly maintained with horrible staff (that barely speak english and obviously are doing exactly the bare minimum they can to service your room...and that isn't a swipe against the people, that's a swipe against the management).

I compare that to the amount of money spent on the cruise, and the service / experience I received, and I'm blown away for the value.

Anyhow, I went off on a ramble, sorry, but I wanted to say, I agree. It is VERY interesting the dichotomy between the Cruise Line and WDW...especially considering how the two really should shoehorn so well together into a "perfect family trip"...but the differences in the overall experiences are startling (and have nothing to do with crowds or anything, my critique is about controllable behaviors. I don't blame Disney for the crazy lady with a stroller at Magic Kingdom any more than I blamed them for the crazy family with the double stroller they took on the Disney Fantasy.)

<sigh>
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'll add an addendum, since the topic comes up about tipping mousekeeping from time to time...(and yes, I'm still in the rant mood, don't worry, I'm soon off to bed)

On the boat, I had a great "mousekeeper". He bonded with my kid, he took great care of us, PROACTIVE care (which is the BEST service...ok, I'm gonna ramble, can't help myself, but I will tie back to this...)

If anyone didn't know, I used to work for the a different mouse for a VERY long time. I was in their corporate training dept, I opened many of their stores, including their highest profile domestic store in Brooklyn...I have some credentials, I don't rant without backing...

Ok, so rewind...for a bit...

Birthday parties.

I used to train people how to do Birthday Parties. And, I remember when I started doing them at age 16 or so, and I did what any 16 year old with no guidance or direction would do. I did whatever Mom asked.

I was doing what they told me, right? That means I gave them excellent service, right?

Wrong.

That is average to poor service. Thinking that if you do only what you are asked to do is "giving good service" is primary fallacy of service management!

And this is where service managers screw up time and time again. "Well, sir, we did what you asked!" They fall upon that instead of thinking...hrm, why did he have to ask that in the first place?

I'll digress for a moment and say, there is no reason why I wasn't given a proactive call from the hotel from a Disney Rep to say "Hey, so glad you booked a vacation with us, here's what is gonna happen"...yeah, never happened, except for the magicband testing, where it happened and was still a clusterfugg because they couldn't unify their databases.

So, moving on with the rant...

The former (doing what is asked) is being a servant, the latter is providing service (providing what is expected). Think about it.

As a side rant, I can't believe there is a college major for "hospitality management"...that's just...stupid. But, if I've offended someone who has a degree in "hospitality", I'm sorry. So, let me explain service.

servING is REACTIVE, serVICE is PROACTIVE.

Ignore whatever crap you learned from an educational system that ripped you off, and learn how to manage and please people, and their often trying personalities, and you'll do fine.

If you are in a position of responsibility, I'd start with reading the One Minute Manager (an ok book) and then read the One Minute Manager Meets the Monkey (a fantastic book). And then think about the latter.

Even if you aren't, you can do this exercise, and think about the latter. It's hard to discuss if you'd never read either, so I won't go into it here, but I promise you, if you think about things proactively, no matter what level, you will find that your job becomes easier, your life becomes easier, and you will advance.

Take a common (and admittedly silly) example...start looking for common situations that you can come up with a system to fix. It's not complex, little tricks go a long way.

If people are constantly asking for ketchup, but you don't want them to have free access to it (for whatever reason), perhaps you start asking them "Do you want a lot of ketchup for your fries?" as you bag up their burger.

Some guests will say "No, I don't want ketchup" Some will say "Oh yeah, please!" In either case, it's better than "My boss said I can only give out 4 ketchups." And, net ketchup distribution, I bet you'll find (if you watch food cost and usage numbers) that in many cases guests may not even want the ketchup.

So, you being stingy enforcing the "new rule" (reminds me of the mug crap going on at WDW now, that is just lazy management carried to an investment extreme...I have a very sad idea of how that came to pass, and it makes me sick both as someone who understands restaurant management and someone who understands IT management)

But, I digress, compare that to the girl at the next register who is lazy and just gives everyone a handful of ketchup packets...the cost is leveled out, if not less.

So, how does this relate to management? Well, it's the managers job to enable you, someone who can follow the rules, even if you don't understand them at the deeper financial levels, to service the guest and make them feel special, while also inspiring and/or firing the lazy girl next to you whom is abusing it so you don't feel discouraged about what you are doing.

But, it shouldn't be "everyone gets in trouble if they give out more than 4 ketchup packets per fries!" That is just lazy management. "New RULE!" management is the WORST! If you can't explain to your employees why they should do something, or your justification over and over again is "because I said so" or "because x said so", just go ahead and find another job. YOU ARE A CRAPPY MANAGER!

Why? Well, they all know you make more than them. They don't mind, if you support them. But if you on them, watch them turn on you in a heartbeat! And, if you don't understand that basic human dynamic, no amount of DeVry "restaurant management" courses is gonna save you.

But, going back to the individual situation with a front of the line person... Lets say you, as a good employee, follows that rule with no leeway and no reasons. I'm a guest, and I want 6 ketchup packets.

"Oh, well, I can't do that."

Now I'm upset. Um...why? It's just friggin ketchup!...I may not say it, but that's running through my head.

So, what's the next lazy extension?

CHARGE FOR IT!

Hah, that's stupid. Why? Because a condiment you say is free is free, until I use "too much of it"? So, I want 6 ketchups, but the guy behind me wants none. You give him 4 and me 4. He doesn't use his, but I want 2 more. You now used 2 more ketchups than you would if you had just friggin asked a simple question and made both of us happy guests.

Ok, I've gone off long enough about this, and I doubt many will "get" what I'm talking about...I've never found a great way to put it...so, moving on.

All that being said, I know for a fact these degrees don't teach detailed P&Ls, so those with them barely learn even learn basic accounting...so, what did they learn after 4 years in an academic setting? Pretty much nothing. The degrees are worthless.

The only way you gain in the hospitality industry is boots on the ground. Experience. It's a dirty, but rewarding industry...but it's not an academic pursuit. Guess what, if you'd just worked the front desk out of high school, and worked hard and learned the business, you'd probably be more advanced than people with "hospitality degrees" and mounds of educational debt.

Those whom perform, will excel. Those who don't, will fail. It's cutthroat, and no lambskin is gonna protect you from that. If you want that, get into a field that requires certification for employment with barriers to entry, and save your loan dollars.

But, side rants aside (pun intended).

The best way to serve is to anticipate the end desires of the person you are serving, and then surprise them because you knew what they wanted before even they did! THAT is EXCEPTIONAL service. For example, on the cruise, my mousekeeper noted I brought a bottle of liqueur with me and had placed it on the cabinet...so, he made sure my ice bucket was filled every night (I didn't request this, he did this of his own accord).

THAT is EXCEPTIONAL service, and is completely trainable! How do I know? Well...after a few years as a teenager, I learned how to "milk" parties for tips. And I did that by doing this exact same sort of thing.

So, what were the common complaints and issues? "I had to do all the work!" Well, I figured out that Moms who pay money for parties tend to do so because they don't want to any work during the party as they feel they are missing out on enjoying the party itself, that's why they are paying us. (duh, it seems obvious, but it isn't to most people)

So, I needed a distraction for my Moms, because things would sabotage that for me. Like, the pizza would be delivered while I wasn't at the table, or I was filling drinks when it was delivered, and Mom would jump in and start helping!

Here's the issue, even though Mom had trouble turning off her "Mom switch" for that party and even seemed to be enjoying helping out during the party, when the bill came, you could see her face...she was thinking..."why did I pay for this again?"

And, that meant she was far less likely to tip me. So, I started to limit her choices, and even came up with a spiel presentation where I'd manipulate her into leaving me alone to take care of her party. My tactic was I'd give her all the tokens, and let her distribute them herself. That kept her busy, and off my back while I fed the kids, served the drinks, kept the area clean, etc.

She, on the other hand, was having the time of her life! This was exactly what she wanted. She's Queen, with all the tokens, and all the kids want to see her (because they want more tokens, mostly, but that's not how middle aged Momma sees it!)...She's wanted, needed, and APPRECIATED!

I used to average 400+ in tips when I was 17 using this tactic, and later when I became an operator/trainer/manager I utilized it as part of my stores.

It never caught on in the politically soft world of office politics once I moved into corporate training, but just imagine if it had.

I like to think I'm an easy guest for housekeeping, because I did a short run of it, and I have done a lot of restaurant work in my life, so I don't wanna be "that guy"...

I wrap up my dirty towels and place them in an easy to grab bundle on the first bed, I tidy up the room, I keep my bathrooms clean of my own accord (ok, that last one is just a personal preference, but, still), I centralize all my trash to one trash can so they don't have to replace all the liners every day for a single q-tip or something silly...I get the job, I've done the job, I respect the job.

I'm not the guest who asks you to clean up a maelstrom of destruction and filth and expects it to be perfect when I come back, is my point.

So, I said I'd tie that back in...as I know one of the responses will be "the mousekeepers on cruise ships don't make salary, it's all tips!"

Ok, well, when I got the tip sheet with proposed room charged tips for my restaurant staff (whom I thought were terrible, I painted a better light for them in my trip report, but honestly I didn't bond with any of them and found the whole process rather fake and their cloying insistence to "serve" rather than "service" (as I defined earlier in this post) annoying, as did my table mate (we DID discuss this, and she is a lawyer, so apparently I can make the case somewhere...or she's a good liar, she is a lawyer. :p)

My Room Steward (mousekeeper) gave me excellent service. And I added quite a bit to his part, while not adjusting any of the minimum tips for the others. I still tipped, mind you (so don't rant at me for that), but I made sure (in cash) that my Room Steward had his due.

And this is why I made hundreds on weekends when my fellow teens did not.

There is a difference between service and serving.

And if you are in hospitality (which I, thankfully, am not anymore) you should learn the difference, and learn it quickly. Your career and your staff will thank you.
 
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janoimagine

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I'll say this...and I'll know it's said often, and will be ignored...

But, I normally spend quite a bit at WDW, and have for the past 4 years (as has my family over the years)...and, after doing a Cruise, I'm not sure I even want to step back in the parks for more than a day or so, if that.

I couldn't agree more ... DCL, is a premium product, and it has either met or exceeded the level of service and detail that WDW was in it's prime. I have often said, at guest relations or to any Management level CM that is within earshot, that whomever is running the Cruise Line needs to take over the Orlando property and return it to it's former glory.

My wife and I have 2 cruises booked for next year, one on the Magic and the other the Fantasy, we are likely going to sell our DVC points next year to put twoards a third cruise, ... yeah, the DCL is that good.
 

Figments Friend

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@WDW1974 , nice to have you back and glad to hear you enjoyed your recent venture.
Always interesting to hear your thoughts on matters.

Since you were off on the high seas, and amidst the wilds of Orlando, you missed all the excitement out on the West Coast at Tony's Main Street Window ceremony!

Here is a video for your viewing pleasure in case you have not had the chance to view any yet.
Just skip the first couple of minutes...you will see nothing but people's backs.
About half way through is where the memorable moments are.



Interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
I was surprised to see Bruce V. there.

Busting with happiness for Mr. Baxter .....he so totally deserved this special honor on so many levels.
Really nice he mentioned Bruce Gorden and John Stone during his speech. A touching moment...well, for me anyway.

 

bcalltimandanna

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Having recently concluded my Fall Faux Top One Percent Spirited Holiday, I suppose I should wade back into these MAGICal waters with some brief thoughts (new thread to come soon) ...especially with Sotto retiring from the fan community (at least until the book comes out!) who else will have threads that never end?

So, where has the Spirit been? All over ...from the wilds of SoFla (saw a fox Sunday in daylight in urban Miami, so the zombie apocalypse is clearly on its way) to the open seas on the Disney MAGIC along with good friend Karl Holz and some west coast Disney Channel execs (one who may even like the Spirit!), not to mention the 'real' radio media (no Mrs. Ricky sightings as the bloggerwhores only got the free two nights to nowhere deal) doing their junket deal. LOVED the ship (as usual) and the high caliber (i.e. Non WDW-like) product.

Also, spent some time at both WDW and UNI ....and BGT too.

WDW is like the meat at a Food Lion in the south, well past its freshness date, but that didn't stop the crowds who packed EPCOT like the food and booze were free.

I am sorta over the whole be a (blank) at a theme park deal. Drunks and boorish behavior at EPCOT as well as Halloween Horror Nights at UNI sure feel like they are at an all-time high.

When I sit back and think about what theme parks i enjoyed most on this visit, I can easily say BGT and Aquatica.

But those thoughts are for another time ...oh, I also saw the NYT deemed Disney's gambling business worthy of a story that went international quickly. Sad that Disney bullied the paper to kill the story, sadder yet that they were able to force changes after it was published online. Saddest that every media outlet in Orlando (perhaps Florida as well) simply pretended the story didn't exist. But I am sure Bob and the BoD just loved reading that. That's the problem with being a hypocrite, eventually you do get exposed and as dumb as people are today, they can recognize that type of BS quite easily.
Thank goodness you are back! One question, what did the fox say? Sorry...had to
 

Goofyernmost

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Seeing that video of Tony Baxter was a real treat. Was it just my imagination or does he resemble Walt Disney in gestures and, to some extent, physical appearance. Anyway, congrats to Tony and if I could ask a favor of the current management team at TWDC, if you have no other priority project in line for him...please send him to EPCOT and see if he can make it a great place once more. Thanks!
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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I am a little upset that Mrs. Lee chose to ride with you. BTW, I don't think we ever acknowledged that the Ariel figure was dead in the main show scene. Typical WDW show quality, but at least they have prevented me from using my 1998 WL mug.

the Tangled toilets are as overrated with fanbois as the film that inspired it was. But, yeah, I did enjoy my time in the AA toilets after drinking all that 'free' Coke Freestyle in the lounge.
Gotta disagree on one point- Tangled was a very, very good film!
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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I think that proves his point. ;)

But yeah, I have to agree. I loved Tangled as well. Just not as much as some of the classics.
I think it is much better than Alice and Dumbo, to name a few old ones. I'd even say Tangled is way better than Lion King, Hunchback, Pocahontas, Hercules, Atlantis (though hardly classic) and even Aladdin.
 

Goofyernmost

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Missed that fortunately will not have nightmares about it...
Funny, I just think that they are humorous promotional pieces. Why must everyone be so negative about everything that Disney does. Even I, a known critic, am not disgusted by every attempt. Some of them are pretty good and interesting. Not everything has to bring someone to tears, does it?
 

Cesar R M

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I think that proves his point. ;)

But yeah, I have to agree. I loved Tangled as well. Just not as much as some of the classics.

Are you sure you guys aren't watching the new movies with the big nostalgia glasses?

Most people when grows up(specially in this modern world where everything gets replaced pronto..) as made the "back in my day these things were cooler and more fun".

A fine example are... the kids who grew up on pokemon..

they said the first designs were cute and awesome.. and the new ones are damn ugly.. but they're older now.. the nostalgia goggles affected them way too much.. they dont notice they GREW UP and advanced to a state they will not like the "new" thing for "young" people.

let's not convert into that angry grandpah who waves his cane to everything.. demanding them leave his lawn!

Because if we got to compare "some classics".. (example, some dark ages disney stuff, like the lady and the tramp...or the aristocrats? they would rate low now compared to Tangled. )
Also the difference in mediums might affect the opinion.. 3d will never fully replace traditional animation in the artistic therm.


just my 2 cents. (ps, my body is sorta ready for the complains at my opinion lol)
 

nytimez

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Funny, I just think that they are humorous promotional pieces. Why must everyone be so negative about everything that Disney does. Even I, a known critic, am not disgusted by every attempt. Some of them are pretty good and interesting. Not everything has to bring someone to tears, does it?

They have nothing new or exciting to promote and that comes across in the increasingly shallow, desperate and empty publicity campaigns.
 
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