Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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WDWDad13

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Because quite frankly WDW is stale like a 7 year old loaf of bread. If you can't appreciate what Uni is doing and what WDW isn't doing ... you need to go on your own pilgrimage


so if I don't "appreciate" what Uni is doing and what WDW isn't... I should be banned from a Disney message board?

I appreciate what all the parks in Orlando are doing... competition is a good thing plus it gives us more and exciting things to do... why can't you appreciate that and my thoughts on it too?

...just saying... nothing personal but there are 2 sides here... what you believe and think is fine... but for those that call some of us "pixie dusters" may also be drunk off of butterbeer
 

SirLink

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I appreciate what all the parks in Orlando are doing... competition is a good thing plus it gives us more and exciting things to do... why can't you appreciate that and my thoughts on it too?

...just saying... nothing personal but there are 2 sides here... what you believe and think is fine... but for those that call some of us "pixie dusters" may also be drunk off of butterbeer
... the only issue I have with Uni is counter service could be better and more consistent quality across the board - but the same thing can be argued of Disney and the prices don't match the quality.

Here is the thing there really isn't 2 sides - nostalgia is a powerful drug ... If Disney did more HM 2007 style refurbs across property, kept fixing effects when they break, stop cutting entertainment, stop value engineering attractions - then maybe the sentiment would be different. But Uni keeps adding entertainment, keeps adding new merchandise that is exclusive to the parks, etc.

Tell me when WDW adds a new E-ticket to each of its parks and starts improving the quality of the merch, food and refurbs without cutting costs to cheapen the experience.
 
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WDWDad13

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I never said you should be banned ... the only issue I have with Uni is counter service could be better and more consistent quality across the board - but the same thing can be argued of Disney and the prices don't match the quality.

Here is the thing there really isn't 2 sides - nostalgia is a powerful drug ... If Disney did more HM 2007 style refurbs across property, kept fixing effects when they break, stop cutting entertainment, stop value engineering attractions - then maybe the sentiment would be different. But Uni keeps adding entertainment, keeps adding new merchandise that is exclusive to the parks, etc.

Tell me when WDW adds a new E-ticket to each of its parks and starts improving the quality of the merch, food and refurbs without cutting costs to cheapen the experience.


see I agree with you... all is well... except in my opinion it's not all about the E-ticket (which I think Uni is most focused on)... do I think Disney needs more... oh yeah several.... but I can enjoy sitting on a park bench in front of the castle on main street sipping on a dole whip before and after I ride an E-ticket too...I just don't have that same feeling sitting in front of the globe at Uni
 

ParentsOf4

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Seriously? Because I don't agree with all the negativity? I haven't personally attacked or cussed out anyone like wdw1974 has....but as one poster put it, his kool aid (which is probably just butterbeer) taste so good to some

All I know is competition is a good thing...all theme parks in Orlando benefit one another in some way....and why can't we all just ENJOY what each has to offer different than the next without completely trashing Disney on a Disney forum? Life is too short guys lets just go have a good time wherever.

There isn't a winner or loser in the made up theme park wars other than the fans getting a lot of fun experiences to take in regardless where you go
The issue is not competition. The issue is what WDW has become: a soulless shell of its former self.

Consider how The Walt Disney Company's (TWDC) heads approached their jobs throughout the history of the company:

Walt Disney: “I have an idea.”
Roy Disney: “It was Walt’s idea.”
Card Walker: “Would Walt have thought it was a good idea?”
Michael Eisner: “What’s your idea?”
Bob Iger: “What are the financials backing your idea?”

This is what I call the de-evolution of TWDC CEO.

Business history is replete with examples of successful ideas that made no sense financially when first imagined. Exceptional business leaders author innovative ideas. Strong business leaders recognize innovative ideas and nurture them.

Iger knows how to interpret a financial report.

Iger lacks the creative drive and instinct of Walt Disney and his successors. Iger's a highly effective administrator but his idea of creativity is to buy someone else's IP and replicate. It's why we're getting another Disneyland in the Far East, 2 more cruise ships, yet another batch of Marvel superhero movies, more Star Wars, and more Pixar. Under Iger's leadership, TWDC often misfires when it tries to get creative. The company's two most effective leaders, Walt and Eisner, had the creative instincts that Iger sorely lacks.

In the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and even into the 2000s, there was no better place for a theme park junkie to be than WDW. It was more than just a bunch of rides; it was an experience. Now, after thinking WDW was pretty much the best place in the world for the better part of 40 years (I missed a few of the early years), it hurts me to see what once was the world champion grow fat and lazy. It's a bit like watching a great sports athlete in their declining years. (How's Tiger Woods doing lately?) The difference is WDW doesn't have to age, doesn't have to decline, if TWDC had leadership with the right creative instincts.

The problem is Iger lacks the creative instinct to make the right decisions when it comes to the theme park business. The DLR redo was a success largely because Lassiter pushed it through, not because Iger particularly wanted it.

At WDW, there is no Lassiter championing change. They have no clue how to grow the business and so they look to nickel-and-dime their "guests" to figure out ways to squeeze another 7% each year, mostly through higher prices and quality cuts. Everything at WDW gets viewed primarily through the money lens. Money is important. Money makes a business successful. Money has to be managed. But money becomes worthless if it's invested badly. Right now, TWDC lacks the creative leadership to make the right investment at WDW.

TWDC spent half-a-billion to "fix" its most popular land at its most popular theme park while WDW suffers from 2 theme parks that are treated as half-day parks by most paying customers. Sorry but no company spends that kind of money just to solve capacity issues. Rest assured that they were expecting a big financial bump from that investment, a bump that never materialized.

That same leadership let the Harry Potter IP go to a theme park that was in an awful way. Uni promptly spent half of New Fantasyland's budget and completely turned around its fate. That was a wise investment, an investment that TWDC had the inside track on but let slip through their fingers because they lacked the leadership that was capable of making the right creative decision.

Now WDW is investing billions on a technology they can't get working, that even now they are realizing is not going to be the financial winner they once fooled themselves into thinking it would be. Meanwhile, Universal is sprucing up its parks, improving services, and building exciting new attractions that will keep guests coming for years to come.

At WDW, they're arguing over how much they can cut from the DHS redo budget.
 
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WDWDad13

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The issue is not competition. This issue is what WDW has become: a soulless shell of its former self.

Consider how The Walt Disney Company's (TWDC) head approached their jobs throughout the history of the company:

Walt Disney: “I have an idea.”
Roy Disney: “It was Walt’s idea.”
Card Walker: “Would Walt have thought it was a good idea?”
Michael Eisner: “What’s your idea?”
Bob Iger: “What are the financials backing your idea?”

This what I call the de-evolution of TWDC CEO.

Business history is replete with examples of successful ideas that made no sense financially when first imagined. Exceptional business leaders author innovative ideas. Strong business leaders recognize innovative ideas and nurture them.
Iger knows how to interpret a financial report.

Iger lacks the creative drive or instinct of Walt Disney and his successors. He's a highly effective administrator but his idea of creativity is to buy someone else's IP and replicate. It's why we're getting another Disneyland in the Far East, 2 more cruise ships, yet another batch of Marvel superhero movies, and more Pixar. Under Iger's leadership, TWDC often misfires when it tries to get creative. The company's two most effective leaders, Walt and Eisner, had creative instincts that Iger sorely lacks.

In the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and even into the 2000s, there was no better place for a theme park junkie to be than WDW. It was more than just a bunch of rides; it was an experience. Now, after thinking WDW was pretty much the best place in the world for the better part of 40 years (I missed a few of the early years), it hurts to see what once was the world champion grow fat and lazy. It's a bit like watching a great sports athlete in their declining years. (How's Tiger Woods doing lately?) The difference is WDW doesn't have to age, doesn't have to decline, if TWDC has leadership that has the right creative instincts.

The problem is Iger lacks the creative instinct to make the right decisions when it comes to the theme park business. The DLT redo was a success largely because Lassiter pushed it through, not because Iger particularly wanted it.

At WDW, there is no Lassiter championing change. They have no clue how to grow the business and so they look to nickel-and-dime their "guests" to figure out ways to squeeze another 7% each year, mostly through higher prices and quality cuts. Everything at WDW gets viewed primarily through the money lens. Money is important. Money makes a business successful. Money has to be managed. But money becomes worthless if it's invested badly. Right now, TWDC lacks the creative leadership to make the right investment at WDW.

TWDC spent half-a-billion to "fix" its most popular land at its most popular theme park while WDW suffers from 2 theme parks that are treated as half-day parks by most paying customers. Sorry but no company spends that kind of money just to solve capacity issues. Rest assured that they were expecting a big financial bump from that investment, a bump that never materialized.

That same leadership let the Harry Potter IP go to a theme park that was in an awful way. Uni promptly spent half of New Fantasyland's budget and completely turned around its fate. That was a wise investment, an investment that TWDC had the inside track on but let slip through their fingers because they lacked the leadership that was capable of making the right creative decision.

Now WDW is investing billions on a technology they can't get working, that even now they are realizing is not going to be the financial winner they once fooled themselves into thinking it would be. Meanwhile, Universal is sprucing up its parks, improving services, and building exciting new attractions that will keep guests coming for years to come.

At WDW, they're arguing over how much they can cut the DHS redo budget by.


see I'm not disputing that... I agree with most you said... but I don't think Disney is done and will be closing the doors soon and Uni is going to be the greatest theme park in the world, etc. etc. There are lots of things coming in the future... from both parks.... that I think is a good thing


we also have to remember that Disney owns a lot more than the theme park division...and they are running a business (whether we like it or not haha)
 

nor'easter

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All I know is competition is a good thing...all theme parks in Orlando benefit one another in some way....and why can't we all just ENJOY what each has to offer different than the next without completely trashing Disney on a Disney forum? Life is too short guys lets just go have a good time wherever.

There isn't a winner or loser in the made up theme park wars other than the fans getting a lot of fun experiences to take in regardless where you go

This is the standard response given by Disney when challenged on more advanced attractions at other parks. It is the almost verbatim response given by the guide on a Keys to the Kingdom tour I took last year. Something's fishy here.
 

WDWDad13

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This is the standard response given by Disney when challenged on more advanced attractions at other parks. It is the almost verbatim response given by the guide on a Keys to the Kingdom tour I took last year. Something's fishy here.

LOL! how is it fishy I feel the same way? Trust me... I do NOT work for Disney in any way nor do I even live near Florida or California
 

Longhairbear

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That's fine and I have no problem with that - but how does Disney not building new attractions at the pace you'd like, you not going back to wdw because its not doing what you think it should be doing, and me not agreeing with all the UNI is better-kool aid make it just that I be banned on a DISNEY forum?
so if I don't "appreciate" what Uni is doing and what WDW isn't... I should be banned from a Disney message board?

I appreciate what all the parks in Orlando are doing... competition is a good thing plus it gives us more and exciting things to do... why can't you appreciate that and my thoughts on it too?

...just saying... nothing personal but there are 2 sides here... what you believe and think is fine... but for those that call some of us "pixie dusters" may also be drunk off of butterbeer
I have over $15,000.00 invested in my DVC membership since 2003. I haven't been back to WDW in going on 4 years because of the stale offerings. The only new things to do, were new DVC locations to stay at that non DVC members hate. Once we realized that was the only reason to go to WDW, was to stay at a new DVC resort, we stopped going. Ten years of the same exact vacation, but sleeping in a different bed is Magical??? Um, no.
We live on the west coast, an under 2 hour drive from Disneyland. Our twice a year visit to WDW has morphed into California Coast Cruise on the Disney Wonder, long weekends at the Grand California Villas, and having dinner at Carthay Circle Theatre in DCA. World Of Color close up, and from our DVC balcony.
But wait, we haven't been to Universal in a decade, and look at all the new stuff, Harry Potter etc. And I'd love to visit Cape Canaveral again, haven't been since I was ten years old.
We are going back to WDW sometime in the next 2 years, but not to the stale parks, and certainly not to have to use a Smart phone to have a better vacation. We will champion the new offerings of WDW once they get any, but for now, our DVC is a jumping off point for better offerings.
Don't bother replying, as I am putting you on ignore, and really love that I can.
 
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WDWDad13

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I have over $15,000.00 invested in my DVC membership since 2003. I haven't been back to WDW in going on 4 years because of the stale offerings. The only new things to do, were new DVC locations to stay at that non DVC members hate. Once we realized that was the only reason to go to WDW, was to stay at a new DVC resort, we stopped going. Ten years of the same exact vacation, but sleeping in a different bed is Magical??? Um, no.
We live on the west coast, an under 2 hour drive from Disneyland. Our twice a year visit to WDW has morphed into California Coast Cruise on the Disney Wonder, long weekends at the Grand California Villas, and having dinner at Carthay Circle Theatre in DCA. World Of Color close up, and from our DVC balcony.
But wait, we haven't been to Universal in a decade, and look at all the new stuff, Harry Potter etc. And I'd love to visit Cape Canaveral again, haven't been since I was ten years old.
We are going back to WDW sometime in the next 2 years, but not to the stale parks, and certainly not to have to use a Smart phone to have a better vacation. We will champion the new offerings of WDW once they get any, but for now, our DVC is a jumping off point for better offerings.
Don't bother replying, I'm putting you ignore.

??? I'm a DVC member as well...and I agree... what's the problem here? I visit Florida more often because I'm closer but if I lived near Disneyland like you I'd be doing the same thing. I am actually staying in Bonnet Creek this fall to try something different... we're not a lot different you know... I just continue to get attacked or ignored for not drinking the butterbeer koolaid
 

nbaresejr

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Thank you @WDW1974 for all the info given and all the time you spend on this board giving us information and answering questions. I think it is very sad what is going on in WDW. I hope at some point they realize they need to step up there game.

The more i read about FP+ the worse it gets.
 

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This thread (and the others started by @WDW1974) are allowed to stay in WDW News and Rumors because they generally contain both. The "rules" were bent to include discussion of Universal, and the Disney corp as a whole. Even the Disney lifestylers - as long as it remains civil. Or pretty much anything related to Disney and even other theme parks and resorts.

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RyenDeckard

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... the only issue I have with Uni is counter service could be better and more consistent quality across the board - but the same thing can be argued of Disney and the prices don't match the quality.

Completely agree, Uni's counter service is overpriced, pretty bad with the exception of two places (Fast Food Boulevard and Thunder Falls Terrace, which are both fantastic), and it's usually cheaper or about the same price to eat at a full service restaurant on property instead.

Mythos was pretty tasty! It's been a few years but I remember my blueberry and pistachio encrusted pork chops. Not your everyday theme park fare at all.

They update the menu once ever six months/year too! It's great for locals, and with an employee/annual pass discount Mythos ends up pricing around the same as Fridays. It's fantastic.
 

TarzanRocked99-

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The issue is not competition. The issue is what WDW has become: a soulless shell of its former self.

Consider how The Walt Disney Company's (TWDC) head approached their jobs throughout the history of the company:

Walt Disney: “I have an idea.”
Roy Disney: “It was Walt’s idea.”
Card Walker: “Would Walt have thought it was a good idea?”
Michael Eisner: “What’s your idea?”
Bob Iger: “What are the financials backing your idea?”

This is what I call the de-evolution of TWDC CEO.

Business history is replete with examples of successful ideas that made no sense financially when first imagined. Exceptional business leaders author innovative ideas. Strong business leaders recognize innovative ideas and nurture them.

Iger knows how to interpret a financial report.

Iger lacks the creative drive and instinct of Walt Disney and his successors. Iger's a highly effective administrator but his idea of creativity is to buy someone else's IP and replicate. It's why we're getting another Disneyland in the Far East, 2 more cruise ships, yet another batch of Marvel superhero movies, more Star Wars, and more Pixar. Under Iger's leadership, TWDC often misfires when it tries to get creative. The company's two most effective leaders, Walt and Eisner, had the creative instincts that Iger sorely lacks.

In the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and even into the 2000s, there was no better place for a theme park junkie to be than WDW. It was more than just a bunch of rides; it was an experience. Now, after thinking WDW was pretty much the best place in the world for the better part of 40 years (I missed a few of the early years), it hurts me to see what once was the world champion grow fat and lazy. It's a bit like watching a great sports athlete in their declining years. (How's Tiger Woods doing lately?) The difference is WDW doesn't have to age, doesn't have to decline, if TWDC had leadership with the right creative instincts.

The problem is Iger lacks the creative instinct to make the right decisions when it comes to the theme park business. The DLR redo was a success largely because Lassiter pushed it through, not because Iger particularly wanted it.

At WDW, there is no Lassiter championing change. They have no clue how to grow the business and so they look to nickel-and-dime their "guests" to figure out ways to squeeze another 7% each year, mostly through higher prices and quality cuts. Everything at WDW gets viewed primarily through the money lens. Money is important. Money makes a business successful. Money has to be managed. But money becomes worthless if it's invested badly. Right now, TWDC lacks the creative leadership to make the right investment at WDW.

TWDC spent half-a-billion to "fix" its most popular land at its most popular theme park while WDW suffers from 2 theme parks that are treated as half-day parks by most paying customers. Sorry but no company spends that kind of money just to solve capacity issues. Rest assured that they were expecting a big financial bump from that investment, a bump that never materialized.

That same leadership let the Harry Potter IP go to a theme park that was in an awful way. Uni promptly spent half of New Fantasyland's budget and completely turned around its fate. That was a wise investment, an investment that TWDC had the inside track on but let slip through their fingers because they lacked the leadership that was capable of making the right creative decision.

Now WDW is investing billions on a technology they can't get working, that even now they are realizing is not going to be the financial winner they once fooled themselves into thinking it would be. Meanwhile, Universal is sprucing up its parks, improving services, and building exciting new attractions that will keep guests coming for years to come.

At WDW, they're arguing over how much they can cut the DHS redo budget by.
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