Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

The issue is not competition. The issue is what WDW has become: a soulless shell of its former self.

Consider how The Walt Disney Company's (TWDC) heads approached their jobs throughout the history of the company:

Walt Disney: “I have an idea.”
Roy Disney: “It was Walt’s idea.”
Card Walker: “Would Walt have thought it was a good idea?”
Michael Eisner: “What’s your idea?”
Bob Iger: “What are the financials backing your idea?”

This is what I call the de-evolution of TWDC CEO.

@WDW1974 , @ParentsOf4 (I always love your posts), @Lee , @articos, and of course anyone who wants to throw their opinion out into the ring.... with the above statement well known (sadly)- who do you think will replace Iger? Or, at least, who SHOULD replace Iger?

Is it possible for Disney to crawl out of this hole they've dug themselves in regards to... the whole of WDW, and all of the tentpole movies with no soul? Is it possible to get back to world class theme parks, hotels, etc?

And do you ever see them actually dropping prices, instead of raising them, in attempts to get more peoples attention? Or would that be too similar to admitting defeat?

Thanks, yall. I really do appreciate all the input you folks give us. It makes the work day a lot more tolerable... even though I'd love to be drooling over new concept art and plans instead of what is currently on topic.

 

[stevehousse]

I'm sure what I posted above will be deleted but in my last message that was deleted I stated that it would be a very good read on spirit testing the magic bands and all it encompasses...

 

[Master Yoda]

I love spirited threads and everyone's opinions, and they are just that, opinions, whether positive or negative. Thank you for taking away my first amendment of freedom of speech in a message board?!? The moderation of this board had become extremely obsessive as of late...and not in a good way...nothing I posted last night warranted my posts to be deleted in any way shape or form...

1st amendment does not apply here and the site is based in England to boot. Make your own discussion board and you can say whatever you want.

 

[stevehousse]

1st amendment does not apply here and the site is based in England to boot. Make your own discussion board and you can say whatever you want.

All I'm saying is the censorship has become extreme as of late...are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Both of my posts last night were on topic but because it dealt with someone who was a troll they got removed...a little overboard...

 

[Sans Souci]

I think they would just prefer it if you did not engage trolls. That's probably why your comments got deleted. Just ignore them in the future.

 

[BryceM]

The walls in Springfield U.S.A. came down today. It looks fantastic! I think Universal Creative did a great job with this whole thing. I'm also very grateful that they recognized this area of the park as being drab and weak, and then made this.

I had my doubts about it when the walls were still up, but now I just love it.

 

[BigThunderMatt]

Likely because you fed the troll.

 

[Master Yoda]

All I'm saying is the censorship has become extreme as of late...are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Both of my posts last night were on topic but because it dealt with someone who was a troll they got removed...a little overboard...

Posts that violate the forum rules get deleted. Simple as that.

 

[mkt]

Yes, but that's the difference. Eisner cared about the parks and was extremely competive. Quite similar to Stephen Burke actually and that's pretty telling as to what is occurring now.

At the end Eisner's time in power, very few people would have agreed with you. Although I think Pressler was more to blame at that time, but the big boss is the one that takes the heat.

 

[devoy1701]

@WDW1974 , @ParentsOf4 (I always love your posts), @Lee , @articos, and of course anyone who wants to throw their opinion out into the ring.... with the above statement well known (sadly)- who do you think will replace Iger? Or, at least, who SHOULD replace Iger?

Is it possible for Disney to crawl out of this hole they've dug themselves in regards to... the whole of WDW, and all of the tentpole movies with no soul? Is it possible to get back to world class theme parks, hotels, etc?

And do you ever see them actually dropping prices, instead of raising them, in attempts to get more peoples attention? Or would that be too similar to admitting defeat?

Thanks, yall. I really do appreciate all the input you folks give us. It makes the work day a lot more tolerable... even though I'd love to be drooling over new concept art and plans instead of what is currently on topic.

Of Course they can! They've done it before! The company almost went bankrupt when EPCOT was built, and almost raided when Ron Miller was at the helm. Eisner brought around a golden age for the company as a whole as well as Disney World.

With the right leadership, there isn't any reason why TWDC and WDW couldn't bounce back over a 10 year period...very possible to have the Next Disney Decade! I don't know WHO should be given the top position, but I've always believed that in a company where creative product is your primary offering, you need to have creative talent calling the shots, not a financial head. That's not saying that someone with a business degree can't succeed as CEO if they have the knack for creative thinking, but you have to let the creative genius run relatively free. TWDC needs a creative #1 and a financial god as #2...Walt and Roy, Michael and Frank.

I love spirited threads and everyone's opinions, and they are just that, opinions, whether positive or negative. Thank you for taking away my first amendment of freedom of speech in a message board?!? The moderation of this board had become extremely obsessive as of late...and not in a good way...nothing I posted last night warranted my posts to be deleted in any way shape or form...

Privately held website in the UK... We have the freedom to do whatever Steve allows us to do. plain and simple.

 

[wm49rs]

I love spirited threads and everyone's opinions, and they are just that, opinions, whether positive or negative. Thank you for taking away my first amendment of freedom of speech in a message board?!? The moderation of this board had become extremely obsessive as of late...and not in a good way...nothing I posted last night warranted my posts to be deleted in any way shape or form...

What first amendment rights?

 

[wdwmagic]

I love spirited threads and everyone's opinions, and they are just that, opinions, whether positive or negative. Thank you for taking away my first amendment of freedom of speech in a message board?!? The moderation of this board had become extremely obsessive as of late...and not in a good way...nothing I posted last night warranted my posts to be deleted in any way shape or form...

When you signed up you agreed to these terms and conditions, which includes moderating of posts. There is no first amendment here - the site is privately ran, and is a United Kingdom based web site.
Terms and Rules

I would also add that I believe our moderation here is extremely lenient.

 

[stevehousse]

When you signed up you agreed to these terms and conditions, which includes moderating of posts. There is no first amendment here - the site is privately ran, and is a United Kingdom based web site.
Terms and Rules

I would also add that I believe our moderation here is extremely lenient.

Love this site but I don't agree with the "lenient" statement...yes, some posts need to be modified or deleted, but I feel a lot of times things are taken out of context an get deleted. Not trying to start an argument as I have been reading for years and posting for awhile now, sometimes it can be a little overboard...just my opinion!

Now where is spirit with something for us to actually discuss???

 

[Nemo14]

Love this site but I don't agree with the "lenient" statement...yes, some posts need to be modified or deleted, but I feel a lot of times things are taken out of context an get deleted. Not trying to start an argument as I have been reading for years and posting for awhile now, sometimes it can be a little overboard...just my opinion!

This whole conversation is something you should be taking up with the mods privately, not here.(See posting rules #10)

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Of Course they can! They've done it before! The company almost went bankrupt when EPCOT was built, and almost raided when Ron Miller was at the helm. Eisner brought around a golden age for the company as a whole as well as Disney World.

With the right leadership, there isn't any reason why TWDC and WDW couldn't bounce back over a 10 year period...very possible to have the Next Disney Decade! I don't know WHO should be given the top position, but I've always believed that in a company where creative product is your primary offering, you need to have creative talent calling the shots, not a financial head. That's not saying that someone with a business degree can't succeed as CEO if they have the knack for creative thinking, but you have to let the creative genius run relatively free. TWDC needs a creative #1 and a financial god as #2...Walt and Roy, Michael and Frank.


Privately held website in the UK... We have the freedom to do whatever Steve allows us to do. plain and simple.

Thanks for your reply. I agree that the company definitely needs a creative #1 and a financial god (I love that term!) as #2.

And @stevehousse honey you're trying to rebel against the wrong authority here. You agreed to terms of service when joining. The mods are the ultimate deciding factors in what stays, what goes. I've had posts deleted recently too. No butthurt. They're doing their job- and we're the jerks making it tough for them. If you see a poster who's obviously trolling, just ignore them.

 

[wdwmagic]

Love this site but I don't agree with the "lenient" statement...yes, some posts need to be modified or deleted, but I feel a lot of times things are taken out of context an get deleted. Not trying to start an argument as I have been reading for years and posting for awhile now, sometimes it can be a little overboard...just my opinion!

Now where is spirit with something for us to actually discuss???

Well I see a list of everything that is moderated, and I can tell you for a fact that it is very light for a forum of this size. The moderating policy is implemented for the good of everyone, but it will never be possible to please everyone all of the time. Those who have posts removed are often unhappy. However, if you post within the rules that are documented you will never have a post deleted.

 

[PhotoDave219]

All I'm saying is the censorship has become extreme as of late...are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Both of my posts last night were on topic but because it dealt with someone who was a troll they got removed...a little overboard...

Opinions are allowed. Being disruptive to the community is not. There's been a lot of people attacking each other of late (I've toned it down and just block people now) and the moderators are sick of it.

 

[Bolna]

Now where is spirit with something for us to actually discuss???

Look at the time when he posted last: my guess would be that he is still asleep.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Love this site but I don't agree with the "lenient" statement...yes, some posts need to be modified or deleted, but I feel a lot of times things are taken out of context an get deleted. Not trying to start an argument as I have been reading for years and posting for awhile now, sometimes it can be a little overboard...just my opinion!

Now where is spirit with something for us to actually discuss???

Look, you have no idea how leniant the moderators are here. If your post got clipped, snipped, sniped or spiked, its because you likely went too far or was hostile about it. Its that simple.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Look at the time when he posted last: my guess would be that he is still asleep.

He has a lot of nerve. First with a real off-line life, and now, SLEEPING?

Sheesh. Some people just want it all and want to watch the world burn.