Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

jt04

Well-Known Member
In the Armchair Imagineering forum, I hope. No need for it here.

Matter of opinion. No matter how much Fastpass scheduling they tack on, the All-Stars won't be worth over $100/night to me. Ever.

We will see.

And yes, it would be in the Imagineering section.
 

Lee

Adventurer
For some perspective on what traffic can do, it took us 70 minutes after we boarded the Disney bus to get from DTD to AKV on a Saturday evening in March. We are veteran WDW vacationers but that was a new one for us.

DTD traffic stinks!
That's terrible.
Spirit and I and a couple others waited over an hour last fall to catch a bus...from Wilderness Lodge to MK.

I'll take a (relatively) short drive from offsite any day, and I'll have my car handy. Park hopping is WAY quicker if you drive.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
That's terrible.
Spirit and I and a couple others waited over an hour last fall to catch a bus...from Wilderness Lodge to MK.

I'll take a (relatively) short drive from offsite any day, and I'll have my car handy. Park hopping is WAY quicker if you drive.
My DW likes the buses. Not for any rational reason; just because they're Disney buses. Me, I drive everywhere.

Of course, my DW insisted we take the Monorail back to BLT at MK closing. Our teenagers walked and beat us by almost 30 minutes!
 

luv

Well-Known Member
I stay at the Rosen Shingle Creek resort when i am not visiting Disney, it takes 45 minutes or longer in my experience to get to virtually any park or Downtown Disney which is the closest WDW destination and when traffic is heavy over an hour. It takes almost 1/2 hour to get to USF and it is supposed to be a USF affiliated resort. Guests can always save $$$ by staying off-site and get better rooms, but you spend a much larger chunk of your time behind a windshield, frustration, etc. While the Shingle Creek resort is absolutely beautiful, it is never worth the extra headaches caused by having to drive that distance/traffic twice a day to me, that is my choice.

Disney overcharges for their resorts, but at the same time they almost always offer a discounted package or in my case 30% to 35% off room rates with an AP and in past years they offered free dining which for a family of four adds up to over $150 per day. While staying in resorts guests get unrestricted free transportation to and from the parks and DTD/DS, $16 all you care to drink mugs, clean and quiet rooms with great theming and pools, on-site dining including QS and/or TS open early and late, souvenir delivery from the parks, and free transportation from the airport to name a few things.

We are staying at BW resort this summer for 11 days &10 nights, DDP included for $4800, tax included. At $480 per day with food for 3 adults, i consider it a steal at a deluxe resort that I can simply walk out the door and into two of the four parks at my leisure.

Are these "perks" worth an extra $50 or $100 per day, to some it may not but I would gladly pay it and do every year, sometimes twice. I would much rather spend extra cash and relax, spend ALL my time with my family and simply not worry about traffic, etc on my vacations as I do it enough the other 48 weeks a year.
It never took me 45 minutes. Ever.

Although that hotel isn't what I would call "close to Disney", it is not 45 minutes away. Heck, I can get from my house to Disney in less than that.

Is it possible that your memory is off?
 

huntzilla

Active Member
That's terrible.
Spirit and I and a couple others waited over an hour last fall to catch a bus...from Wilderness Lodge to MK.

I'll take a (relatively) short drive from offsite any day, and I'll have my car handy. Park hopping is WAY quicker if you drive.

Deja vu. Le Spirit and I were stuck on a bus for 90 minutes, going from just DTD to All-Star Music. I would have been irate if it wasn't for Spirit's typical humorous ramblings.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
Just a hunch. Loyalty programs are a new and increasingly effective business plan. It only makes sense that Disney would exploit NextGen for this purpose. Time will tell.

-
For years i have been wondering why Disney has not jumped on board with a 'loyalty program'. It seems just about every other business/resturant/retail location has such a program for 'rewarding' their regular guests/most frequent shoppers.
It works well from a marketing standpoint, and for many it works great from a consumers standpoint.

People like to feel like they are getting a edge, or getting a discount...or getting a 'freebie'. Why has Disney not been interested in having such a program for the die-hard, regular visitors to their Parks?
I know in the past Annual Passholders have been able to score some nice perks, but i am talking more about Joe Average Guest who happens to be a Disney Park Freak and visits often.

My guess is that perhaps Disney has felt that they have not needed such a program, as people will still visit and still spend money regardless.

Perhaps NextGen will indeed incorporate something like a 'loyalty program' into the new offerings, since the ability to track spending and visits will be much easier now?

It will be interesting to see if anything like this comes to light.
 

luv

Well-Known Member
Does Marriott or Hilton own Shingle Creek? I didn't even know that resort existed over there. Is it part of Universal?
No. It is a Rosen hotel. Not part of Uni, but it may be on the list of hotels they have some kind of deal with. It's a nice place to stay. If going to Uni, I'd rather be in one of their hotels, but if you prefer to be offsite, Shingle Creek is not a bad choice at all!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
-
For years i have been wondering why Disney has not jumped on board with a 'loyalty program'. It seems just about every other business/resturant/retail location has such a program for 'rewarding' their regular guests/most frequent shoppers.
It works well from a marketing standpoint, and for many it works great from a consumers standpoint.

People like to feel like they are getting a edge, or getting a discount...or getting a 'freebie'. Why has Disney not been interested in having such a program for the die-hard, regular visitors to their Parks?
I know in the past Annual Passholders have been able to score some nice perks, but i am talking more about Joe Average Guest who happens to be a Disney Park Freak and visits often.

My guess is that perhaps Disney has felt that they have not needed such a program, as people will still visit and still spend money regardless.

Perhaps NextGen will indeed incorporate something like a 'loyalty program' into the new offerings, since the ability to track spending and visits will be much easier now?

It will be interesting to see if anything like this comes to light.
Couldn't agree more that a loyalty program would be a huge boost for Disney and also a benefit for loyal guests. I brought this up on the original Next Gen thread (or maybe it was this one 200+ pages ago) but the general consensus seemed to be that MyMagic+ would not have a loyalty component to it. It's a shame because they really work and offer guests perks at the same time. I made the analogy to Casino loyalty programs and how I know people who won't stay anywhere but a Harras property in Vegas since they are addicted to the total rewards program. When competition is heating up and Universal is building more hotel rooms now is the time Disney needs a loyalty program. They could easily offer free things like the opportunity to book unique character meals and/or exclusive meet and greets to lower level guests while true "whales" could be offered free or discounted rooms, park tickets or meals.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Funny, that this thread took a loyalty program turn when @WDW1974 has mentioned that he thinks they should do something for charter APs on multiple occasions.

They could easily offer free things like the opportunity to book unique character meals and/or exclusive meet and greets to lower level guests while true "whales" could be offered free or discounted rooms, park tickets or meals.

I'll have to start bulking up.
 

Lord_Vader

Join me, together we can rule the galaxy.
It never took me 45 minutes. Ever.

Although that hotel isn't what I would call "close to Disney", it is not 45 minutes away. Heck, I can get from my house to Disney in less than that.

Is it possible that your memory is off?

No, it took 45 minutes, we had figured 20-25 and I had taken a cab in October from the same resort which took 30 minutes or so. It took less than 15 minutes to get to Buena Vista Dr., 30 minutes more to get through the hotel/resort traffic to the Marketplace parking lot.
 

Clever Name

Well-Known Member
No, it took 45 minutes, we had figured 20-25 and I had taken a cab in October from the same resort which took 30 minutes or so. It took less than 15 minutes to get to Buena Vista Dr., 30 minutes more to get through the hotel/resort traffic to the Marketplace parking lot.
Some people are just more adept at driving than others.
 

Clever Name

Well-Known Member
Wow. I'm surprised how lame this discussion became after spirit left.
Well I blame Lee. After all, Spirit left him in charge. Next time hopefully Spirit will have the good sense to leave me in charge during his next departure.

I think we all realize how important it is to maintain a high level of Internet elocution in Spirit's absence.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
I agree that prices have not gone up dramatically at the Value Resorts. However, less than 10 years ago, we paid $66/night (with tax) at POP.;)

In 2011, we paid $143/night for the Dolphin for Thanksgiving week.

In 2012, we twice paid $120/night for a 2-bedroom suite at Wyndham Bonnet Creek, essentially on WDW property.

In March 2013, we rented DVC points at $7/point at AKV, which worked out to $273/night for a 2-bedroom villa at a WDW Deluxe Resort. (AKV is really nice!:))

There always are bargains to be had but it takes effort and patience to find them.

Over the last 6-8 years, Disney has not increased prices at WDW resorts, especially the Value Resorts, as drastically as tickets, food, or merchandise. They have to compete with offsite accommodations. Still, a room in mid-July at POP is $141/night even with the summer discount. Any way you slice it, that's a lot to pay for essentially a small motel room.

A garden view room at the Grand Floridian for that same mid-July week is $408/night with summer discount, which should be enough to make most people gag. I'm sure people enjoy it but my idea of a vacation is not to cram into a single room with my spouse and two children, certainly not at $408/night.

My point is, even with "discounts", WDW rooms are really really expensive for what you get.

Yeah, good points on the pricing. Park admission can go up since Uni raises theirs as well so the competition isn't trying to offer a bargain to compete with. They are simply just raising the market. Hotels however lower prices to entice guests to stay there and Disney is forced to compete with them.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Since this thread's title includes NGE ...

The My Disney Experience terms and conditions page continues to evolve. It appears the following was updated recently:
Other features are triggered automatically when you are within proximity of long-range readers located throughout the Walt Disney World Resort that automatically detect your MagicBand. These long-range readers do not automatically detect radio frequency cards. You can elect to be issued a radio frequency card in lieu of a MagicBand.
Nothing new in the MagicBand part; this was well understood and part of the old T&C. However, the reference to the long-range readers not automatically detecting RFID cards is relatively new. As stated in Iger’s earlier response to Rep. Markey’s letter:
The card contains a short-range chip whose location cannot be detected by the long-range readers stationed in the park.
It looks like Disney reevaluated its RFID technology and determined it’s capable of more than what was originally stated. Disney no longer is claiming the “short-range chip” contained in the RFID cards “cannot be detected by the long-range readers”; only that they will “not automatically detect radio frequency cards”. This wording modification suggests long-range readers are capable of detecting RFID cards and, instead, the system is being redesigned to not “automatically” detect RFID cards using long-range readers.

For anyone who’s been paying close attention, this represents some egg on Disney’s face. Disney continues to present RFID cards as a viable option for those who don’t want to wear MagicBands out of a concern of being tracked. Now Disney seems might be quietly acknowledging that, yes, even with RFID cards, the long-range readers are technically capable of detecting RFID cards and, apparently, Disney simply is disabling this ability at this time.

Some RFID tags (i.e. “chips”) are capable of being detected at ranges of over 100 feet while others typically can be detected at no more than a few feet. If the RFID cards only contained “short-range” tags (all that’s needed for the various “touch” services of MyMagic+) then how can they be detected by long-range readers? Exactly what does Disney consider “long-range”? Different tags use different radio frequencies, depending on the range required. If the purpose of the “long-range readers” is to only read long-range tags, then how are they even capable of reading the “short-range chip” contained in the RFID cards, which presumably use lower frequencies?
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom