Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WDW1974 said:
Has that ever happened to someone?? Not only am I frustrated because I start 180 day ADR's tomorrow, but that makes me VERY nervous about my own private information. Is someone else seeing me???
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Because knowing you're 180 days out from your trip to Walt Disney World is more important than knowing that information being compromised.
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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More on the NGE test:

<<It was funny seeing all the execs and project team squirreling away in a conference room "bunker" at the Studios Feature Animation building over the last few days. They want these RFID devices to interconnected to everything, but ultimately have no analog backup. The legacy systems it connects to have these elements shoehorned in. On top of that many of the back of house systems it is communicating with Anaheim does not have. If they implement it domestically it will cost so much more capital. >>
 
M

Mouse Detective

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WDW1974 said:
The fact you bring up civil court verdicts is laughable. An individual going up against a corporate entity has virtually no chance at any semblance of justice.
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I'm involved in a lot of corporate litigation and have to disagree with you on that. It is true that corporations have almost unlimited resources to pay for their defense but it is equally true that in general, juries hate corporations. If a harmed person has a legitimate case against a corporation, the individual is going to prevail. But if it's a borderline bogus case (i.e. most slip & falls at a theme park), juries don't like that stuff and they're going to send the plaintiff home with a big zero.

WDW1974 said:
I said that ALL cruise ships that make port in the USA should have to be regulated by this country and follow standards that are set out by maritime safety experts that aren't part of the cruise lobby.
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Probably a good idea but any laws put in place can fly in the face of international maritime law that has existed for HUNDREDS of years and predate the formation of this country. It's one of the several reasons all the cruise ships are registered outside the U.S. It's difficult for any government to interfere with the operation of anyone else's ships (even foreign registered airliners).
 
steve2wdw

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
Just to bring a little levity to the thread, have the potential tan lines, from wearing the MagicBand, been discussed? Sadly, I think the general public would have more of an issue with this, than the privacy issues, etc...., being discussed in the thread. (Of course, this is IF they ever get this thing launched and ALL the bugs worked out.) I've been in and out of this thread and have missed some chunks of discussion.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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WDW1974 said:
And ultimately that holds very little water -- it's the McD's coffee verdict (and, BTW, they WERE at fault as the coffee was served at too hot a temp, which always gets overlooked).

People should be responsible, but so should corporations. If some idiot gets drunk on his balcony and winds up falling overboard and dying, then the cruise line owes him nothing.

But if a cruise line has a fire at sea because they have limited inspections and not enough redundancies and have an incident like this then it NEEDS to hurt them in a serious way ... not a dime off next quarter's earnings, but a REAL sum of money that harms their BRAND and makes safety the top priority.

We always like to make examples of people, yet we never do of corporations (see BP et al).
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In theory I agree with the basis of your objection, but I have to be hypothetical here and ask what regulation would guarantee that a fire wouldn't happen? Would the regulations be that no ship is allowed to have a fire? Would more inspections have caught something that possibly wasn't a problem yet? What redundancy's would be realistic in something the size of a cruise ship. An extra engine, an extra generator, maybe a dingy pulled from behind that would be large enough to carry however number of passengers are on the main ship? The whole just of this argument is the assumption that it was something that Carnival easily could have prevented. Although that may be true, how do we know that? Shouldn't all this blaming be held until we know what happened?

We all know that you could have a thousand pages of disclaimers but if it is proven that it was completely the fault of the company, no matter how big that company is, would not mean do-do in a court of law. Remember Lawyers are out to make a living too. They aren't going to make a living very long if they cannot put together a case that would make it impossible to not reward the "little guy" that you are worried about. You cannot protect the population from unforeseen situations. You cannot see every situation or even anticipate every situation. Crossing the street presents real possibilities that someone might get hurt, does that require regulations that provide people to help us all cross the street so we don't have to accept the dangers that everyday life brings us.

If for a minute you think that I am pro-big business you have either been drinking or for some reason are having hallucinations. What I am is pro-justice. I don't care if it's a company or myself, I do not feel as comfortable as some of you to blindly point fingers and decide who is at fault. I do, however, feel that when that is determined, if there is fault to be handed out, whomever has it should feel the full force of it. To me it's like flying in an airplane. If you ever get on one and think that there is no chance that it could crash, then you are floating in a little cocoon of false realities.
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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flynnibus said:
So like I said.. just like the MM+ situation... damning before we even know the basics.
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There you go with your MM+ misinformation again.

We already know a great deal about MM+, much more than most other new programs at this point. The biggest unanswered question seems to be the FP+ distribution algorithm. Exactly who will receive what and when?

Beyond that, we don't have a rollout schedule but, as Iger said:
The majority of the capital expense to create this initiative has already been spent. There will be some increased operating expenses, which we are already starting to see this year. But obviously they will probably ramp up more as we roll out the feature. The product itself is in a test phase. Some of it, in a very limited form, is available to our guests.

I actually tried it out last week and was extremely impressed, because it will give people an opportunity to really plan their vacation in advance of coming; notably, the ability to make reservations on some of our most popular attractions; or, more importantly, some of their favorite attractions. And that will obviously have an impact on guest experience by not only improving the number of attractions they can experience while they are there, but guaranteeing that they'll be able to see the ones or experience the ones that they want.

And additionally, the band serves as your room key. That's already somewhat operational, although in test phase. It serves as your wallet. It serves as your ticket. And it gives us the ability -- with voluntary information that you provide to us -- to enable personalization and customization, which we have not been able to do before. And that's really impressive. So I'd say you're going to see the product rollout at some point later this year. We're purposely not announcing when it will be rolled out. In effect, a lot of the features of this product will actually be rolled out over a long period of time. We want to make sure that we get this right before we go too fast with it. But so far, we're very, very excited about it.
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And let's not forget Iger's letter to Rep. Markey that answered all our questions. The letter must have because, as Iger wrote:
It is truly unfortunate and extremely disappointing that you chose to publicly attack us before taking the time to review our policies and/or contact us for information, which would have obviated the need for your letter. Had you or your staff made the slightest effort, you would have found most of the answers to your questions already existed and were publicly available online ...
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Seems to me Iger thinks he's answered every privacy, civil liberty, and safety question imaginable. Iger certain seems to be acting as if he's answered every question he intends to answer publicly.

What other piece of information are we missing that Disney will make public?

Are we going to receive a list of RFID readers? Perhaps Disney will provide more details of exactly how they intend to use the information they collect?

What other piece of information will Disney publish that will alleviate our privacy, civil liberty, and safety concerns?
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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steve2wdw said:
Just to bring a little levity to the thread, have the potential tan lines, from wearing the MagicBand, been discussed? Sadly, I think the general public would have more of an issue with this, than the privacy issues, etc...., being discussed in the thread. (Of course, this is IF they ever get this thing launched and ALL the bugs worked out.) I've been in and out of this thread and have missed some chunks of discussion.
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Yes, tan lines were discussed on the precursor to this thread. See (for example):

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...ons-and-opinions.857322/page-236#post-5304330

I wonder if Disney might have a bigger battle getting people to actually wear MagicBands for numerous personal reasons that have nothing to do with the more weighty topics being discussed.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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WDW1974 said:
I am just about to place you on my ignore list, which I've never done to anyone. I may agree with you much of the time, but I feel you are extremely disingenuous on datamining and NGE and while it isn't my job to tell people to read between the lines, that's exactly what needs to be done when dealing with someone who always wants to defend a corporation.
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Puhlease. Yes I'm mr corporate paid to stalk your posts and defend companies from the pinkies. Again - you keep trying to paint people as plants or shills... Without a single clue. The simple fact you don't know is no barrier to you leaping. You do it about my magic, you do it about me, and you've done it in your cruise ship tangent.

WDW1974 said:
police and local authorities are protecting me from my idiot neighbor
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Ehhh - you do realize the difference between civil and criminal don't you?

WDW1974 said:
The fact you bring up civil court verdicts is laughable.
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The laughable part is you don't grasp the personal and corporate civil issues are the same. The only difference is someone's resources.

You blur your rants on regulation with everything else.
 
Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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Goofyernmost said:
In theory I agree with the basis of your objection, but I have to be hypothetical here and ask what regulation would guarantee that a fire wouldn't happen? Would the regulations be that no ship is allowed to have a fire? Would more inspections have caught something that possibly wasn't a problem yet? What redundancy's would be realistic in something the size of a cruise ship. An extra engine, an extra generator, maybe a dingy pulled from behind that would be large enough to carry however number of passengers are on the main ship?
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I don't know how realistic it is/was, but I assumed before these last two fires that disabled cruise ships that there would be some kind of backup generator/engine in a different part of the ship from the main one(s). I believe that there was extremely limited emergency power in this case, but I always figured "emergency power" would keep lights on, water running and toilets flushing at least. If they just could have kept the toilet situation normal during this ordeal, is it even a big news story?
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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Lee said:
We should let the Carnival debate die down now that there is some real MM+ news coming out.

Sounds like the test results have been....less than stellar.
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Could you elaborate please? I visited right before they seemed to be really pushing MM+ in earnest. And was thankful I did
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Cosmic Commando said:
I don't know how realistic it is/was, but I assumed before these last two fires that disabled cruise ships that there would be some kind of backup generator/engine in a different part of the ship from the main one(s). I believe that there was extremely limited emergency power in this case, but I always figured "emergency power" would keep lights on, water running and toilets flushing at least. If they just could have kept the toilet situation normal during this ordeal, is it even a big news story?
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You could very well be correct. I'm not an engineer so I don't know what the possibilities are and if they are even realistic in this case. From what I read there were working toilets on the ship, there was electricity in areas and there was water available but rationed due to supply. I, like everyone else here, do not know the answer and I hesitate to speculate about what should have been done until I have a way of knowing what is possible. 20/20 hindsight is amazingly accurate, most of the time, once we know the realities.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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The reports about MM+ seem disturbing and confusing at the same time.

One would think the bands and the cards would work identical for the hotels.. its just a matter of which code is stored in the system. The problems must be in the front-end software setting up the guest's profile.. and missing significant use cases like needing the elevator access is pretty disturbing. Technology being crippled by poor development management :(
 

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