^^ Well of course that's your choice, and it makes sense if you don't live close by and Space is that important to you...the problem is that the current short-sighted WDW management will use opinions like that as justification for not doing a complete refurb, causing a gradual decline in the quality of the resort's offerings over time.
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Disneyson 1
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"Vote yes, vote yes! Vote for Space's Refurb,..."
"Can someone please O-pen up a window?"
"But it's hot, as hell, in Glendale, Cal-i-for-ni-a!"
"Can someone please O-pen up a window?"
"TOO MAN-Y FLIES, TO-OO MANY FLIES!"
"Vote yes, vote yes!"
"Can someone please O-pen up a window?"
"But it's hot, as hell, in Glendale, Cal-i-for-ni-a!"
"Can someone please O-pen up a window?"
"TOO MAN-Y FLIES, TO-OO MANY FLIES!"
"Vote yes, vote yes!"
the-reason14
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I doubt that many people will cancel trips because SM is closed. I figure I'm in the minority. SO I doubt disney would even pay me any attention. If they are gonna close it, then they are gonna close it, regardless of how I feel or others. So the only thing I will do is wait until reopens. Same thing with the other classic kingdom attractions that closed for refurbishment, Im sure there were some that were upset, and maybe didnt even go. But disney still closed them. When disney realizes that ap holders have little influence on attendance and how the majority of visitors feels, they will act on that.
WDW1974
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A.) I have no clue what you are talking about; and
B.) I am not sure what currently are the top two attractions at the MK, and regardless, there isn't a thing wrong with having them both closed if it means they'll be in top shape when they reopen.
and drawing comparisons to 1979 are not pointless because it illustrates that so many key attractions were closed and there weren't park-hopping possibilities, and yet people were able to have a great time.
today's crowds are so demanding it's ridiculous. period.
mcjaco
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Ah the good old days, when there was only one roller coaster, and Frontierland was pretty much just shows......and yes, multiple rides would be down for refurbs during the "offseason" because that's what it was. The offseason. By staggering the refurbs, Disney is once again, cattering to their clients. And yet we're still here complaining. 
And you can't argue prices of tickets then and now. The price of inflation has just as much made a them significantly jump, as well as, the cost to keep all of these attractions going.
And you can't argue prices of tickets then and now. The price of inflation has just as much made a them significantly jump, as well as, the cost to keep all of these attractions going.
EPCOT Explorer
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KingStefan
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While it is true that construction and operating costs are much higher, inflation is NOT as much of a factor. Sure, prices are much higher for everything now compared to MK opening. But inflaction-adjusted ticket prices show that the real cost of park admission has gone up significantly. I posted a graph somewhere a while ago that illustrated this. I'll put up a link if I can find the original post!
dmagickingdom
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I agree a bit on both sides here. First, we (most) are primarily mature adults or at least used to forum content, so I feel the manner in which WDW1974 used the language was not aggressive towards anyone. It was a description of what he thought people's reactions would be like. Due to the context of his post, I didn't feel he was using it like calling someone the "B" word. Perhaps I am too liberal on that. However, haven said that, we have no power to post in here should the admin. desire us to disappear. If their rules are no "B" "H" "D" words, then i guess we have to comply. I simply don't think given the context, that it would be a big deal to me. Who knows though, I'm not in charge.
I won't get into the timing of Space Mount. closing but rather the price today, relative to when the park opened. I believe that even if we didn't add Space Mountain, 20 some resorts, DHS, Animal Kingdom, the prices would reflect moderately similar to what they are today. Inflation alone should have risen the prices somewhat close to what they are. A perfect example: According to statistics compiled by www.economagic.com states the average house price to be around 28,500 in 1971. The average house prices in 2008 is roughly 283,400 (median). That's an inflation of 994%. Disney's price for a ticket was around $4.75 in 1971. Comparing today's price of roughly 75.00 for one day, that's a 1578% percent increase. So, there's about a 584% difference which would equate "theoretically" to the expansion of entertainment over the years. I would say that visiting the MK when Space and Splash are closed would be a little disappointing. I would hope that Disney would wait to close Space until Splash opened unless there is a REALLY good reason to have them both down at the same time. If so, then there are 3 more parks to enjoy to make up for that 584% increase not related to inflation!
Buried20KLeague
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I don't mean to dive into the middle of an argument, but... :lookaroun
I think today's crowds are ALLOWED to be more demanding. There's more compeition in the neighborhood down there now. So if I feel that the usual product I consume on my trips to Central Florida is going to be diminished this year (for WHATEVER reason) then I can suppliment that, or replace that completely, with something else. There are other options. I don't HAVE to spend the day at the MK if one or more of my favorite attractions is closed... I can instead choose to spend the day riding "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish" if I so choose.
Having said that... I'm not from the camp that worries about long term closures. Heck, I went to Tokyo Disney this past Summer knowing JTtCOtE was going to be closed. But... There are those that do. And Disney has to walk the fine line of getting done what they need to get done and yet frustrate the smallest number of guests possible.
It's not a job I envy... But it's a perfect reason why Space won't go down while Splash is down also. They'll wait. Competition dictates it must. They're not the only game in town.
dmagickingdom
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do you know where I can get some good picts of tokyo disney sea? I have never really seen what it looks like. anyone??
KingStefan
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Here are the promised links:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=3036303#post3036303
and
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=3036358&highlight=price#post3036358
Note that today's single-day ticket price is MORE THAN TRIPLE the 1970s price, EVEN AFTER ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION!
Now, as I said in that post, this is not really fair, because in the 70s there was not much of a discount for multi-day tickets, and now there is a HUGE discount for multi-day tickets, especially for longer stays.
Slowjack
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Nice graph. Here's a link to my own thread on the subject.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=222728
It's a little tricky comparing from prior to the Eisner era, though, because in the 70s you had the ride tickets to consider.
mcjaco
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So what's the point? :lol:
KingStefan
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I know, right?:lol:
The point is, I guess, that even though it's not entirely fair to compare one-day tickets, park admission prices have gone up tremendously since the MK first opened, and so it is logical that visitors would feel more of a sense of entitlement not to have too many major attractions under refurb at the same time during their visit.
I wish I had more historical data on multi-day package prices. Does anybody know where to get that?
I think you miss the point. For starters, the "key attractions" you refer to were not "closed". They didn't exist to begin with. There is a huge difference. As Captainkidd mentioned, you can't "miss" something that didn't exist in the first place. You're taking a present day situation, based on popular attractions that currently exist, and comparing that to a time when those attractions weren't even a glimmer in people's eyes. That's an apple to orange comparison. Also, your example refers to a time when ticket prices didn't reflect the ability to park hop (because there was only one park, hence no other parks to hop to), nor did the ticket prices reflect the number of attractions that exist today. So when an attraction is closed down, and people are aware of the existence of that attraction, then they'll likely miss it and be disappointed. That disappointment is compounded when multiple attractions are closed down. And it's compounded further still when the guest is paying full price and several of his/her favorite (i.e. most popular) attractions are closed down all at once. Is it being "demanding" for a person to say that he/she would choose not to visit under those circumstances? Not at all. To suggest that it is really indicates a lack of awareness of what is considered reasonable in a customer/business relationship.
Huh? Many of the key attractions have been at WDW since day one including Peter Pan, Jungle Cruise, the fantasyland dark rides, Peoplemover, Haunted Mansion, and 20k under the sea (now removed).
Half of the attractions you've listed here were not among those that WDW1974 listed. However, he DID list some that did not exist yet, such as Big Thunder, Splash and Epcot (an entire theme park with it's own slate of attractions).
ttalovebug
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:sohappy::sohappy:
This is the 1776 Take over of WDWMagic. It's official.
I have never seen this musical, but with all this recent hoopla I'm thinking I should check it out, yes?
