Main Street USA
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That's nonsense!Zac, you're not actually suggesting that if Horizons and World of Motion had drawn record numbers of people that they wouldnt have been replaced, now are you?
(sorry, just trying to blend in)
That's nonsense!Zac, you're not actually suggesting that if Horizons and World of Motion had drawn record numbers of people that they wouldnt have been replaced, now are you?
It's not minority opinions that aren't accepted, it's common sense and logic. Oh...wait...I guess the fact that common sense and logic are EXTREMELY rare around here MAKES them part of the blanket description of "minority opinions."
Sorry for the mix-up!![]()
If this was a powder keg was the thread i started in genral discussion a nuclear bomb:drevil:
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thank you!
On the contrary. Only the misinformed do.But you guys keep thinking that it the Imagineers that are making things horrible.
All those examples are WDI using what budget, scope and time they are given.
WDI had great plans for Space Mountain. Orlando management butchered them.
Give WDI the earth and you get Orlandos TOT. Cut the budget and you get the others. They arn`t perfect, but can`t be blamed for most of what the parks have gotten over the past 15 years.
Stitch, Stitch, Stitch....
But it usually is never WDI's fault, it's the people who give them their budgets to work with (TDO)
So, any news on
A) Space Fountain
B) Dirty Roof
?
On the contrary. Only the misinformed do.
I love that you guys give the Imagineers grief like you could do their jobs so much better. Its funny.
Heres a perfect anology; much like those sim games, you can chose either to be in i guess "real" mode or "sandbox" mode. What the imagineers really want and what you and want is "sandbox" (concept art ect.) mode where no rules apply and everything is great. But in reallity it is just the "real" mode. And the things they want done they either have to "half do" to make it appear or just cut it completely.
But you guys keep thinking that it the Imagineers that are making things horrible.
Nope, I'm pretty sure the Imagineers are the ones that are doing the horrible writing, sound design, and unreliable ride system "upgrades", which is basically the downfall of every project of the last 5 years. Having embarrassing dialogue on the TTA stating that the Carousel of Progress has four families has absolutely nothing to do with budgets. It's simple incompetence. Between the cringe-inducing script and the horrible sound quality, the imagineers are solely responsible for making yet another classic attraction unridable. See Spaceship Earth and the Backlot Tour for other examples. Then there's the Tower of Terror, whose audio was "upgraded" almost a year ago, yet has been horribly out of sync every since. Everything the imagineers touch, they screw up. It's really pretty simple.
I understand all that but at the same time you can't tell me that Stitch's great escape (2004) is as good as say, Country Bear jamboree (1970s) or that Expedition Everest (2006) is as well themed as Big Thunder Mountain (Im talking just the ride itself not the queue). They don't even make anything today that matches the engineering marvels that were the 1960s Tomorrowland, Spaceship Earth, Universe of Energy, etc.
Part of it is that the old imagineers have long since retired and the talented imagineers of the past twenty years have been phased out (fired) and over time the corporate culture has changed internally. Pretty much the only senior talent left at Imagineering is Tony Baxter, Joe R., and Bob Weiss and I have heard that Disney wants to get rid of two of those guys. The place is run by baffons now and on top of that they have parks & resorts controlling them with an iron fist.[/QUOTE]
The baffons you speak of is coparate disney correct? Imagineers are extremly talanted and eduacated people. They are like puppets on a string though. If Imagineers got an unlimated budget they could do wonders, but with what they get they still do an amazing job.
O and no Im not saying Stitch is on par with those great attractions, I dont think I ever said that. But in no way is it a horrible attraction either, the only resentment people have is that it took over AE. It is the same exact ride just "supposedly" less scary for kids. Which I can argue is false because of the amount of screaming kids i see on that ride. I miss X-S though, and can live without stitch
With the way things are now, things get cut and taken out of original creations. The final pieces are almost always not at all what the Imagineers first invisioned. All i can say is welcome to the real world and that money motivates everything. We (ones that enjoy the parks for theming, bgm... ect.) are just a small portion in the wealth the disney company generates
The baffons you speak of is coparate disney correct? Imagineers are extremly talanted and eduacated people. They are like puppets on a string though. If Imagineers got an unlimated budget they could do wonders, but with what they get they still do an amazing job.
O and no Im not saying Stitch is on par with those great attractions, I dont think I ever said that. But in no way is it a horrible attraction either, the only resentment people have is that it took over AE. It is the same exact ride just "supposedly" less scary for kids. Which I can argue is false because of the amount of screaming kids i see on that ride. I miss X-S though, and can live without stitch
Nope, I'm pretty sure the Imagineers are the ones that are doing the horrible writing, sound design, and unreliable ride system "upgrades", which is basically the downfall of every project of the last 5 years. Having embarrassing dialogue on the TTA stating that the Carousel of Progress has four families has absolutely nothing to do with budgets. It's simple incompetence. Between the cringe-inducing script and the horrible sound quality, the imagineers are solely responsible for making yet another classic attraction unridable. See Spaceship Earth and the Backlot Tour for other examples. Then there's the Tower of Terror, whose audio was "upgraded" almost a year ago, yet has been horribly out of sync every since. Everything the imagineers touch, they screw up. It's really pretty simple.
I acknowledge that WDI is heavily constrained by skimpy budgets and executive meddling in the creative process, but WDI could make some great attractions for less money if they cut out the waste that goes on there.Most people here don't.
Doesn't mean WDI is infallible. They do make mistakes here and there.
O and no Im not saying Stitch is on par with those great attractions, I dont think I ever said that. But in no way is it a horrible attraction either, the only resentment people have is that it took over AE. It is the same exact ride just "supposedly" less scary for kids. Which I can argue is false because of the amount of screaming kids i see on that ride. I miss X-S though, and can live without stitch
With the way things are now, things get cut and taken out of original creations. The final pieces are almost always not at all what the Imagineers first invisioned. All i can say is welcome to the real world and that money motivates everything. We (ones that enjoy the parks for theming, bgm... ect.) are just a small portion in the wealth the disney company generates
I acknowledge that WDI is heavily constrained by skimpy budgets and executive meddling in the creative process, but WDI could make some great attractions for less money if they cut out the waste that goes on there.
http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disney-T...ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1256929842&sr=8-1Where can one get this DVD you mentioned?
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