Tim Lohr
Well-Known Member
I agree that thrill rides aren't the only E tickets, but originally WDW didn't have any thrill rides until 1975 when Space Mountain opened and this ticket seems to predate that
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Seven Dwarfs Mine Train Preview Thoughts
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I agree that thrill rides aren't the only E tickets, but originally WDW didn't have any thrill rides until 1975 when Space Mountain opened and this ticket seems to predate that
yensidtlaw1969
Well-Known Member
I think the biggest issue that I have with calling the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train an E Ticket is this: in a time where attractions like Radiator Springs Racers, Mystic Manor, Ratatouille, and some of the big things in development for Shanghai Disneyland are defining themselves as the best of the best from Disney in contemporary times, it seems unfair to pretend this attraction lives up to those same standards. It simply isn't as ambitious.
Do I think it would have been appropriate for the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train to be any "bigger" than it already is? Maybe not. It didn't need to swing for the fences, and it would have been perhaps counter-intuitive to the mission of New Fantasyland to do so. Another show scene would have been nice, as would that extra track that was planned, but as it is it seems to do basically what it sets out to do and is clearly the best thing in it's respective area. However, that does not mean it automatically represents the highest tier of what this this company has to offer. They are simply creating better experiences elsewhere that are inarguably of E-Ticket status.
That does not mean there's no room for debate, but put what this attraction achieves up next to something like Mystic Manor, or Radiator Springs Racers. Even the Indiana Jones Adventure, nearly 20 years old now, still offers much more with regards to ambition than this new attraction. It simply does not compete. It was never meant to, and that's plenty fine -- but that's why it's a D Ticket, not an E.
Do I think it would have been appropriate for the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train to be any "bigger" than it already is? Maybe not. It didn't need to swing for the fences, and it would have been perhaps counter-intuitive to the mission of New Fantasyland to do so. Another show scene would have been nice, as would that extra track that was planned, but as it is it seems to do basically what it sets out to do and is clearly the best thing in it's respective area. However, that does not mean it automatically represents the highest tier of what this this company has to offer. They are simply creating better experiences elsewhere that are inarguably of E-Ticket status.
That does not mean there's no room for debate, but put what this attraction achieves up next to something like Mystic Manor, or Radiator Springs Racers. Even the Indiana Jones Adventure, nearly 20 years old now, still offers much more with regards to ambition than this new attraction. It simply does not compete. It was never meant to, and that's plenty fine -- but that's why it's a D Ticket, not an E.
spacemt354
Chili's
It might happen sooner than you think. Uni's efforts might be the best thing to happen to Disney World. Management isn't going to build, unless their pockets start to get thinner. Uni keeps taking days away from Disney vacations and sooner or later they are going to be forced into "competing."
In a way I'm rooting for Harry Potter part 2 to be a home run and show Disney up yet again. Hopefully it will be a wake up call to Disney management that they need to get down to business (to defeat the Huns
)Kinda sad we have to resort to cheering for competition in order to get something built that's not a mall or DVC resort in Disney these days.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Put it in perspective...
After riding this... how many kids do you think will get off the barnstormer thinking 'wth is this piece of junk doing here'? This ride will spoil them on what a coaster experience can be. When you look at it like that, you are reminded on just how much this attraction brings to the table for what it's intended to be.
After riding this... how many kids do you think will get off the barnstormer thinking 'wth is this piece of junk doing here'? This ride will spoil them on what a coaster experience can be. When you look at it like that, you are reminded on just how much this attraction brings to the table for what it's intended to be.
BacchusStoppus
New Member
None that I can think of. Be completely honest has there been 1 single attraction added to WDW in the last 20 years that is on the exact level or higher than the Haunted Mansion, JII,Tower of Terror, Pirates, Big Thunder, or Splash Mountain? I don't think there has. Everest sort of came close but the effects quit working right off the bat and everything else has been half baked.
spacemt354
Chili's
Tower of Terror opened July 22, 1994. So technically that was within the last 20 years.
Among others: Test Track, Kilimanjaro's Safari, MIssion: Space, and Everest off the top of my head.
With a few more show scenes I would have put 7DMT on this list as well.
BacchusStoppus
New Member
Anyways, so shall we get back on to the topic at hand? Lets see it's a 2 minute ride that took 5 years to build and has a hand full of good AA's. The end.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
Does anyone have a quick list of ride times? I'm thinking of Tower of Terror, RnRC, Space Mtn, Big Thunder, Everest, Soarin' and others. It seems like the "short" ride time of 2 1/2 minutes is being used as a negative for this attraction by several. However, I see the ride time as similar to other popular attractions.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/ridelength.htm
ToT is 5 minutes
RnRC is 1 minute 22 seconds
Everest is 2 minutes 51 seconds
Sourin' is 5 minutes
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Unofficial list
Tower of Terror - 5 mins
RNRC - 1.5 mins
Space - 2.5
BTMRR - 3.5
EE - 3
Soarin - 5 mins
Of those I would say RNRC is a borderline E ticket at best for me. The rest are solid E. I agree with others that the shorter ride time keeps Mine Train from being a true E. That doesn't mean I think it's a bad ride or a fail. Just not an E. If it had an additional indoor scene and was closer to the track length of BTMRR it most definitely would be.
spacemt354
Chili's
The difference is 7DMT is touted as half coaster/half dark ride.
Dark rides such as Haunted Mansion and Pirates run about 6-8 minutes. Coasters like RnRC and Space Mountain are about 2-3 minutes.
So therefore, the ride time is brought into account, because from my view it should fall somewhere in the middle. Something like a 4-5 minute ride time. (To be considered an E-ticket for me that is)
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
All of those rides you listed, save RnRC, have longer run times, even when excluding ToT's pre-show. This also ignores the speed with which RnRC and Everest travels that creates their run time or their own issues with minimal interior theming.
The dwarf mine train is a mix of dark ride and coaster, but neither is long enough to satisfy on their own terms. Some also feel the ending is aburpt, and that there is no "story" (not that it bothers me). As a result, the ride feels short.The two coaster parts are equally balanced, but the second show scene looks lacking when compared to the first. The ride just kinda...stops.
Other rides accomplish different things with their run time, based on what they set out to do. Mermaid in comparison is 6 minutes, but people feel the story is still rushed, because that's what it tries to achieve. Peter Pan is half the length, but satisfies more because the focus is on the experience of flying and sightseeing.
LithiumBill
Well-Known Member
if you are a park fan at all, you SHOULD BE ROOTING for UNI... just for that reason. We want an arms race, because we all benefit from it.It might happen sooner than you think. Uni's efforts might be the best thing to happen to Disney World. Management isn't going to build, unless their pockets start to get thinner. Uni keeps taking days away from Disney vacations and sooner or later they are going to be forced into "competing."
In a way I'm rooting for Harry Potter part 2 to be a home run and show Disney up yet again. Hopefully it will be a wake up call to Disney management that they need to get down to business (to defeat the Huns
Kinda sad we have to resort to cheering for competition in order to get something built that's not a mall or DVC resort in Disney these days.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
So, for MK, the ride time is not that short when compared to Space and Big Thunder. I've always seen 7DMT "touted" as a family coaster. Looks like they have a coaster with an average ride time similar and it has nice show scenes. The whole D/E ticket is completely subjective and seems to have changed over the decades since it was introduced. I personally don't care about the ticket assignment. This attractions looks like a great addition to the park and my bet is it will have a lot of long lines and happy riders.
Tonka's Skipper
Well-Known Member
Excellent I am glad we agree!..however there are many others who keep pushing only attractions that are thrill rides (in some form or another) are an E ticket.
AKK
Tim Lohr
Well-Known Member
It's funny you put it like this because when they unveiled the new "low budget" Barnstormer last year, with it's cost effective chicken wire fences, my first though was "what's this piece of junk doing here"? But now seeing the Mine Train come together I'm starting to think the Barnstormer's days are probably numbered
Tonka's Skipper
Well-Known Member
I believe the point is that too many of Uni's attractions do a over reliance on Tv screens to build the attraction.
Attractions like TYM is a attraction based on being in a video game, it kinda hard not to use TV screens in that one. Soar and the other World show case countries that use movies to present the culture and beauty of their homeland, seems again hard not to use a Movie, and it is presented as being a movie.
I guess I will take another look at this in the fall, as I don't remember so many TV screens in the previous trip.
AKK
Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
I disagree, I feel I remember RSR having it's mountain lighting played with and tweaked many times before it arrived at it's final look maybe a week or two before opening.
bhg469
Well-Known Member
The only functioning show scene on Everest uses a screen and a very poorly done animation. The descent portion of spaceship earth, pretty much makes you look at a screen. I believe that the use of screens just makes sense in a lot of places but yes, both parks over use them. I just don't see how forbidden journey would be possible without them but it is very hard for me to get through those scenes without feeling nauseous. It is still an amazing attraction though and I will go on it again, I just hope they don't stop trying to improve the screens technology to make it a little easier to watch.
LithiumBill
Well-Known Member
The best ride in Orlando is Spider-Man, and I forget it uses screens...because it is so well done.