Selling Magic Kingdom 3x a day....

[xdan0920]

But unfortunately that is the way everything is in life. Your car does not come fully loaded, you pay extra for options. Your house is not built with the best appliances, you pay extra for them. Your computer does not come with the best and fastest hardware, you pay extra for it. Your phone doesn't come with the most memory unless you pay extra. Life is packed with "basics" and you add in what you want.

 

[marni1971]

But unfortunately that is the way everything is in life. Your car does not come fully loaded, you pay extra for options. Your house is not built with the best appliances, you pay extra for them. Your computer does not come with the best and fastest hardware, you pay extra for it. Your phone doesn't come with the most memory unless you pay extra. Life is packed with "basics" and you add in what you want.

But unfortunately it’s not how The Walt Disney Company used to operate before Igers greed took over.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

But unfortunately it’s not how The Walt Disney Company used to operate before Igers greed took over.

Exactly, TWDC wasn't invaded and gutted by C-Suite types as quickly as a lot of other companies because there were still people who had the values of providing a superior product and actually respected the history and the Disney Way. It has taken time to get to this point, but here we are.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Or just roll everything into the fact upcharges are now unacceptable and are impacting the “normal” $100 a day paying guest.

I would agree with this in that I am freaking sick of all the extra planning that goes into a trip to WDW anymore. The honest truth is they WANT the parks crowded, they want you tired and waiting, so you say, lets buy another churro, lets buy more bottles of water. Lets extend the trip another day since it was so crowded we could not see everything. See if they upped the prices and lowered the crowds, then customers would not be spending as much time on their properties, which means less money. I realized a long time ago, that those that run Disney do not sit in a room and think of ways they can make the experience more "Magical" they sit and think, how can we get more money from these saps. And Disney World is where they tend to test all these bloodsucker theories most (thus why I prefer Disneyland), and yet will I go there again? Sure, but what used to be near annual visits is turning into every 3 years or so.

 

[marni1971]

Igers short term greed is doing long term damage to the product. The Walt Disney Company used to be run firstly as The Walt Disney Company, not as a Wall Street commodity.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They managed in the past quite well.

They also used to build more frequently with much more conviction...

The point is this isn't 1965, X Atencio

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Igers short term greed is doing long term damage to the product. The Walt Disney Company used to be run firstly as The Walt Disney Company, not as a Wall Street commodity.

Well it has been since iger was bought in 1996 - for reference purposes

 

[Tom P.]

Igers short term greed is doing long term damage to the product. The Walt Disney Company used to be run firstly as The Walt Disney Company, not as a Wall Street commodity.

I agree with this to a point, but I tend to not lay the blame on one individual's "greed" so much as an overall shift in how companies are expected to run in the United States over the past several decades. Quite simply, if Iger were not focused on short-term revenue increases quarter after quarter, he would no longer be the CEO. If he wants his job, he has no choice. In a publicly traded company, there is no reward for long-term thinking. That is true across the board in corporate America, and it's quite amazing that Disney held out as long as it did against it, really. I don't know how you stem the tide of that thinking in our economy, but I know it eventually has to be changed or things will just collapse.

 

[marni1971]

I agree with this to a point, but I tend to not lay the blame on one individual's "greed" so much as an overall shift in how companies are expected to run in the United States over the past several decades. Quite simply, if Iger were not focused on short-term revenue increases quarter after quarter, he would no longer be the CEO. If he wants his job, he has no choice. In a publicly traded company, there is no reward for long-term thinking. That is true across the board in corporate America, and it's quite amazing that Disney held out as long as it did against it, really. I don't know how you stem the tide of that thinking in our economy, but I know it eventually has to be changed or things will just collapse.

That’s a very fair description.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I argue against the grain that they might as well just roll the party price into the main ticket price and be done with these shenanigans.

If they are saying the park is too crowded, then obviously the ticket price isn't high enough. If they are saying the per cap isn't high enough to offer nice parades and stay open later, then increase the per cap.

At this point I rather then just charge $199 a day and be open from 7 am till 11 pm with tons of great service and extra special perks and parades for everyone. Make it a good experience again and thin the crowds a bit in the process.

You know...this might be the first upsell idea that I ever truly liked/supported.

Customers are stupid 95% of the time...I wish they would idiot proof it for the other 5%.

Customers should have rejected the holiday events when they crossed $50...that was far enough. Now it's double+ and I've already unsuccessfully tried to tune out dozens on these threads foaming at the mouth to call/book them online.

Life is really that dull, huh?

 

[marni1971]

Well it has been since iger was bought in 1996 - for reference purposes

Even until the mid to late 2000s there was still a value for money aspect.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Even until the mid to late 2000s there was still a value for money aspect.

I would maybe agree a little...but when disney bought abc the dynamics changed. They went from media company to conglomerate...and the slide started.

But it wasn't just that...things like goofy joe rohde burning through budgets in Orlando hurt bigtime...don't forget that blame can go around deservedly bigtime.

 

[marni1971]

I would maybe agree a little...but when disney bought abc the dynamics changed. They went from media company to conglomerate...and the slide started.

But it wasn't just that...things like goody joe rohde burning through budgets in Orlando hurt bigtime...don't forget that blame can go around deservedly bigtime.

I miss the days when they nearly brought the company down by giving the guest too much...

 

[Kingtut]

Yeah, that's my point. Something seems fishy with the site... not the first time.

That is what happens when you outsource IT operations/programming to H1B's from Lower Elbonia.

 

[Kingtut]

I would agree with this in that I am freaking sick of all the extra planning that goes into a trip to WDW anymore. The honest truth is they WANT the parks crowded, they want you tired and waiting, so you say, lets buy another churro, lets buy more bottles of water. Lets extend the trip another day since it was so crowded we could not see everything. See if they upped the prices and lowered the crowds, then customers would not be spending as much time on their properties, which means less money. I realized a long time ago, that those that run Disney do not sit in a room and think of ways they can make the experience more "Magical" they sit and think, how can we get more money from these saps. And Disney World is where they tend to test all these bloodsucker theories most (thus why I prefer Disneyland), and yet will I go there again? Sure, but what used to be near annual visits is turning into every 3 years or so.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I miss the days when they nearly brought the company down by giving the guest too much...

That was the family days...and it's been so long.

Roy E is probably the biggest figure in the whole history - I can make the arguement.

But he fought Eisner, won, turned it over to tanning booth bob with a shell board, kinda gave up and then died..

You can see the correlation with how we got to today

 

[noodles]

Disney fans should buy a lot of Disney stock. Then raise hell.

 

[phillip9698]

We did mnsshp once. It was fun but we won't don't again. We plan our trip around party dates just so we can get our monies worth from our tickets. Last time I did not even think about the park closing early for the mnsshp and was so irritated that 2 of the 3 days planned there were early closings. Not this time. That's ridiculous. The only reason we did the party was bc it was a day we planned on arriving late and we got there at 4 and stayed until the final kiss or whatever it's called when they close the park down.

It really depends on what you consider getting your monies worth. If it's simply being in the park then yeah a regular park day is better than just hitting a party. But in my case we wanted to ride attractions and we could ride a lot more attractions DURING the party than we could on a normal day. Pretty much all the rides are walk on except the haunted mansion and mine train.

 

[larryz]

From Disney's website....

"Disney Early Morning Magic takes place from 7:45 AM to 10:00 AM on select Sundays and Tuesdays. Admission is available for $69 per adult and $59 per child (tax not included). However, admission is also very limited, so be sure to book your reservation before it’s too late!"

Don't get bogged down in the small details here. The larger point is, Disney is selling the MK three times in the same day. Maybe you don't see that as a problem, that's your perrogative. But don't try and obfuscate the larger point here.

edit to add....

unless your point is, the whole thing is a glitch and Disney won't be offering EMM on those days. And the MK will be back to being sold twice.

I see where you're going, but EMM is not actually selling the park at all -- it's an upcharge and a regular theme park admission is required... includes exclusive ride time in FL and a buffet breakfast. It overlaps with regular park opening.

 

[ELG13]

It really depends on what you consider getting your monies worth. If it's simply being in the park then yeah a regular park day is better than just hitting a party. But in my case we wanted to ride attractions and we could ride a lot more attractions DURING the party than we could on a normal day. Pretty much all the rides are walk on except the haunted mansion and mine train.

Oh absolutely...we thought it was a great deal when we got to the hotel at 2 and went to MK for the party at 4 and stayed until midnight. I just get bummed when we don't get to have a night at Disney unless we buy a ticket for the party on top of the normal ticket. Disney is so different after dark!!