Kelsybelle
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Scooter thread
The scooter thread is getting kind of ugly!
Might be time to let it rest...
The scooter thread is getting kind of ugly!
Might be time to let it rest...
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Scooters
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I understand rude people in scooters. I am just concerned that your post seemed to lump all people together, when rude people come in all shapes adn sizes.
Also, just to note, there is no "brotherhood of the wheel," rude people in scooters are rude to everyone. I almost got run into by 2 rude people in scooters at the American Adventure show, when I was in my wheelchair.
Again, not an attack, just playing devil's advocate and giving a different point of view.[/quote]
I wasn't trying to lump everyone together. There are absolutely jerks walking as well as on scooters. This wasn't really about people being jerks as much as what looks like an area that can be improved (boarding busses). Sadly, you can't do much about jerks (speaking of which, I kind of did an accidental "jerk" thing on my first day. They had just loaded a scooter on and had closed the ramp but hadn't closed the door and so my family and I (4 of us in total) just walked in through the back door, not realizing there was a line-up waiting at the front. Luckily, there were enough seats for everyone anyways, otherwise we would have stood/waited for the next bus. Live and learn)
And, one more time, I wasn't saying scooters shouldn't get on first which a lot of people seem to think my original post was. I'm not saying that at all.
Also, just to note, there is no "brotherhood of the wheel," rude people in scooters are rude to everyone. I almost got run into by 2 rude people in scooters at the American Adventure show, when I was in my wheelchair.
Again, not an attack, just playing devil's advocate and giving a different point of view.[/quote]
I wasn't trying to lump everyone together. There are absolutely jerks walking as well as on scooters. This wasn't really about people being jerks as much as what looks like an area that can be improved (boarding busses). Sadly, you can't do much about jerks (speaking of which, I kind of did an accidental "jerk" thing on my first day. They had just loaded a scooter on and had closed the ramp but hadn't closed the door and so my family and I (4 of us in total) just walked in through the back door, not realizing there was a line-up waiting at the front. Luckily, there were enough seats for everyone anyways, otherwise we would have stood/waited for the next bus. Live and learn
)And, one more time, I wasn't saying scooters shouldn't get on first which a lot of people seem to think my original post was. I'm not saying that at all.
No offence taken. I didn't think you were attacking me. In all honesty, I'm kind of enjoying the banter.
i just got back from a trip with the mother-in-law and if i could have not lifted that scooter out of the car and into the car daily, believe me i would have. we actually waited longer to ride some attractions due to the need of waiting for a handicapped accessible ride vehicle. if i could have made her walk i would have, believe me, it just wasn't happening.
dazzer68
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we are off to wdw next year, with my sister how is in early stages of multiple sclerosis. so far which from an onlooker is invisible.she can and does walk, but only small amounts.we will be getting her a wheelchair and a preparing our selves for this type of stick.shes not fat or lazy, just ends up in pain, sometimes in tears.
we will queue up with everyone else, while she can get on by herself.if you there when we are, please be kind.she doesnt use a wheelchair at home (as she doesnt walk that far!) but wants to last the disney day for the sake of her kids.
we will queue up with everyone else, while she can get on by herself.if you there when we are, please be kind.she doesnt use a wheelchair at home (as she doesnt walk that far!) but wants to last the disney day for the sake of her kids.
heliumalias
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ooh, be very careful about saying that fat people on scooters are exaggerating or faking or anything like that. that may not be what you meant, but its how it came across.
I spend a lot of my time educating people about invisible disabilities, so if you have any questions about my illness/disability, and how it affects me, please just let me know, and I would be happy to explain anything
I actually think that it quite insulting. I am fully aware of a variety of "invisible" medical conditions that the average joe is not aware of. I also hate the term fat being used as though I was generalizing about every overweight person in WDW. WDW is a great way of getting exercise without realizing that you are and there are people there who "just can't bothered" to walk so get a chair. There are a lot of people legitimately in chairs either because of their weight or resulting in it. As I have a lot of friends with disabilities (which I mentioned above) you'd think that would be observed and considered when reading my comments. I'm sure that by suggesting Disney effectively demonstrate first time ECV users how to use their chair they would prevent a few accidents would be taken as rude/isulting/etc as well.
Interesting that you couldn't criticize my complaint about someone using a phone and blocking a pathway.
Susan Savia
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Seems like a bus just for wheelchairs and ECV's and their group members would work. Have their stop to the side of the regular bus pickup.
I do think that drivers of the ECV's could pull off to the side to have their smoke or chat on the cell phones, rather then just stop in the middle of the 'road'. On busy days it's hard enough to manuever around people, much less a wheelchair or ECV sitting in the way with family members along side.
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I do think that drivers of the ECV's could pull off to the side to have their smoke or chat on the cell phones, rather then just stop in the middle of the 'road'. On busy days it's hard enough to manuever around people, much less a wheelchair or ECV sitting in the way with family members along side.
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unkadug
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This is exactly why these threads normally get closed. :wave:
Disneybird
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I just returned from a trip to WDW and our 1st experience using a scooter for my mother. Up until this year we have always used a push wheelchair for her, but this year she decided to rent a scooter and it was a lifesaver for those of us who normally push her around in 90 plus degree heat.
My mother is 77 years old and has been to WDW at least once a year since 1976. When she first started going, she was highly capable of walking everywhere but due to declining health she is now unable to walk more than 20 feet without having to stop and rest. And no, she doesn't use a scooter in her house. But she loves going on these trips and I will continue to take her as long as she is around.
I'm one of those people who had to ride her scooter on or off the bus because she was nervous about it. At attractions I often had to help her back into areas where she needed to be. But crowds were not bad and we really had no problems with her getting in peoples way or vice versa.
Everytime I loaded her and her scooter on the bus, my husband and daughter would get in the back of the line waiting to board. A few times they even stood on buses that were crowded even though they could have been on first. And once after EPCOT closed we even waited 3 buses to board, because we didn't want to cut in front of people that had been waiting.
And believe me, I hate taking up 3 seats on the bus for a scooter, but I also have a problem with people that have small children on a crowded bus and let them take up seats when they could put them in their lap and allow someone else to sit. Yes, we all pay dearly for our vacations. From the disabled to small children. But it's called common courtesy which is so lacking in society now.
My mother is 77 years old and has been to WDW at least once a year since 1976. When she first started going, she was highly capable of walking everywhere but due to declining health she is now unable to walk more than 20 feet without having to stop and rest. And no, she doesn't use a scooter in her house. But she loves going on these trips and I will continue to take her as long as she is around.
I'm one of those people who had to ride her scooter on or off the bus because she was nervous about it. At attractions I often had to help her back into areas where she needed to be. But crowds were not bad and we really had no problems with her getting in peoples way or vice versa.
Everytime I loaded her and her scooter on the bus, my husband and daughter would get in the back of the line waiting to board. A few times they even stood on buses that were crowded even though they could have been on first. And once after EPCOT closed we even waited 3 buses to board, because we didn't want to cut in front of people that had been waiting.
And believe me, I hate taking up 3 seats on the bus for a scooter, but I also have a problem with people that have small children on a crowded bus and let them take up seats when they could put them in their lap and allow someone else to sit. Yes, we all pay dearly for our vacations. From the disabled to small children. But it's called common courtesy which is so lacking in society now.
KingStefan
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Forget separate but equal and all that _____.
Disney could solve this problem easily, but that would cost money, so they don't do it. All they would have to do is have extra busses waiting to be dispatched, and whenever there are scooters or wheelchairs waiting to be boarded (or boarding), and there are more people on the line than a single bus could handle, dispatch another bus immediately as a supplement. I know they already have the capability to make adjustments to the system, and I know this won't always be possible (like at park closing, or after the parade, etc.), but they need more suppplementary busses (in general), and they need to focus on dispatching them more effectively to help with the scooter / wheelchair issues.
Yes, the transporation planners have done a wonderful job designing and tweaking the system, but they could still do better - it would just cost more. And judging by the reports from this past summer, they seem to have taken busses off the system (or just not put enough on), presumably at least in part as a cost saving measure, and I believe that's short-sighted.
Anybody on here work in transportation, and specifically with busses who can comment?
Disney could solve this problem easily, but that would cost money, so they don't do it. All they would have to do is have extra busses waiting to be dispatched, and whenever there are scooters or wheelchairs waiting to be boarded (or boarding), and there are more people on the line than a single bus could handle, dispatch another bus immediately as a supplement. I know they already have the capability to make adjustments to the system, and I know this won't always be possible (like at park closing, or after the parade, etc.), but they need more suppplementary busses (in general), and they need to focus on dispatching them more effectively to help with the scooter / wheelchair issues.
Yes, the transporation planners have done a wonderful job designing and tweaking the system, but they could still do better - it would just cost more. And judging by the reports from this past summer, they seem to have taken busses off the system (or just not put enough on), presumably at least in part as a cost saving measure, and I believe that's short-sighted.
Anybody on here work in transportation, and specifically with busses who can comment?
Grim Grinner
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Just got back from my trip last weekend. After one harrowing Illuminations, we tried to get back to our resort via the bus. The line was huge but people were in good spirits.
It really seemed like there were fewer buses running and we'd not seen one for a long time.
Breaking ahead of the huge line comes a lady on a scooter and her friend. When a bus finally arrived, it took 30 minutes to load her craft, which she promptly jumped off of while telling her friend so all could hear:
"See, now we don't have to wait in this line."
This rubbed everyone around us the wrong way.
If you need the transport, fine. But please don't boast about the benefits to those of us who actually wait in line.
While all this was happening, my wife with a very real medical condition had to wait.
It really seemed like there were fewer buses running and we'd not seen one for a long time.
Breaking ahead of the huge line comes a lady on a scooter and her friend. When a bus finally arrived, it took 30 minutes to load her craft, which she promptly jumped off of while telling her friend so all could hear:
"See, now we don't have to wait in this line."
This rubbed everyone around us the wrong way.
If you need the transport, fine. But please don't boast about the benefits to those of us who actually wait in line.
While all this was happening, my wife with a very real medical condition had to wait.
yankspy
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My Dad has worked as a dispatcher for over 20 years with the NYCTA. I will have to ask him about it. Funny, in all the times that we have been there and used the bus system, I have never heard him comment about them.
And believe me, I hate taking up 3 seats on the bus for a scooter, but I also have a problem with people that have small children on a crowded bus and let them take up seats when they could put them in their lap and allow someone else to sit. Yes, we all pay dearly for our vacations. From the disabled to small children. But it's called common courtesy which is so lacking in society now.
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Couldn't agree more. We have two kids (5 & 7) who sat on our laps for most bus trips (unless there were extra seats available). It just seems the polite thing to do when other people are standing and you can make room for some to sit.
[/quote]Couldn't agree more. We have two kids (5 & 7) who sat on our laps for most bus trips (unless there were extra seats available). It just seems the polite thing to do when other people are standing and you can make room for some to sit.
Christine43
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Sometimes it's very innocent. My son is autistic and cannot handle walking around the parks, it's too overwhelming and exhausting physically and emotionally for him. So, we push him around in a wheel chair and we have gotten a couple of looks when he gets out of it to get in line but we shrug it off.
plaz10
Well-Known Member
i know what i am about to ask is going to push some buttons..but before i ask i want to say that i am asking for strict fact and reason. i am not against disabled people in any way, shape or form...i am simply asking a question in search of an answer. I want to repeat that...i am looking for an actual answer, not trying to start a debate or anything like that.
but why do disabled people in scooters or wheel chairs get to get on the bus first? why can they not wait in line with their families and then board when it is their turn?
i'm sorry if this pushed any buttons...i am honestly searching for an actual answer, not trying to start any trouble.
but why do disabled people in scooters or wheel chairs get to get on the bus first? why can they not wait in line with their families and then board when it is their turn?
i'm sorry if this pushed any buttons...i am honestly searching for an actual answer, not trying to start any trouble.
The simple reason is because they have to. Loading a scooter is rather time consuming and kind of tricky and trying to do it while others are loading or have already loaded makes it next to impossible. I am sure you have seen it done before. The bus has to lower that ramp has to come out, the scooter goes on, ramp goes up, seats get folded down on the bus, scooter pulls in, scooter gets strapped down, ramp and bus goes back to normal. Now imagine all of that trying to go on while other people are loading onto the bus or if the bus is fully loaded. I saw that very thing happen once and it was simply insane.
plaz10
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im sorry, i worded my question wrong it seems.
scenario. i was waiting in line for a bus for about 10 minutes...there was about 20 minutes worth of people behind me. a woman in a wheel chair and whoever was pushing her...pushed her directly to the front of the line. we were standing there waiting and she was pushed to the loading area and bypassed the line completely. my question is why does she get to get on without waiting? why could she not have waited in line until her turn and then of course get on first before other passengers.
sorry about the confusion.
scenario. i was waiting in line for a bus for about 10 minutes...there was about 20 minutes worth of people behind me. a woman in a wheel chair and whoever was pushing her...pushed her directly to the front of the line. we were standing there waiting and she was pushed to the loading area and bypassed the line completely. my question is why does she get to get on without waiting? why could she not have waited in line until her turn and then of course get on first before other passengers.
sorry about the confusion.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Couldnt they just get some old water ski gear from Sammy Duvall and tow the scooters, they could sling shot guests as they approach the parks so they cpould get to the gates, and not slow down the others getting off.
NEmickeyfan
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I hear what you are saying, but i frear your suggestions won't work. If a "scootered" person is in line with the other passengers, then when it get to be their turn to get on, other passengers will have boarded ahead of them. Then you would have to load the scooter and most likely have people move around to accomidate the scooter and it's rider. The likelyhood that they would be in line and in a position to board first is slim.
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