orlpassholder
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Alberrisford right now mp3 is all some of us can put up due to time restraints and life in general. Once some os us get breaks I imagine more videos will become available
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orlpassholder
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DOH LOL oh well it will be nice when it does come in
spagmoid
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Movie editing tips - DIVX / WMV
I've spent hundreds of hours editing movies so here's some advice in the hope that online video quality will improve!
Huffy is very good for temporary storage, almost equal to lossless jpg in best (slightly lossy) YUY2 mode
The problem with WMV is it is in the clutches of Micro$oft, and you can't do as much with it. They like to threaten people who try to play or edit their files without permission, which I don't like. You can't edit it with many popular programs like VirtualDub. I generally edit all the movies I get because they have lighting or size problems, and with WMV, you're stuck with M$ tools or in some cases, nothing. I like keeping control of my movies, and I don't like a big greedy slimy smelly drooling corporation limiting what I can do with them.
You can get the best quality out of DIVX4 by using "1 Pass QUALITY based" not standard 1 Pass. I think there is a misconception that quality-based produces larger files - this is not the case. The difference is constant quality vs constant bitrate. Standard essentially lets quality fluctuate for the sake of a semi-constant bitrate, which is kinda pointless unless you are doing live broadcasts IMHO. I prefer to download whole videos then watch them, and in that case constant quality is important and constant bitrate is N/A.
I recommend a minimum quality of 75%, good quality at 85% and best around 95% - above that gets very expensive.
One interesting thing about DIVX is that you can make HIGHER RES video without a massive increase in size. 640x480 looks great, and 480x360 is a good compromise vs 320x240.
You can get an excellent quality/size ratio with DIVX4, especially if you use VirtualDub filters like 2D Cleaner, Smart Smoother HQ, Dynamic Noise Reduction, & PicFix
I have gotten the following data rates (KiloBytes per frame) by screwing around with filters, resolution, & DIVX:
640x480 mid quality
night low motion: 7-9
day low motion: 12-15
day high motion: 19-28
480x360 low quality
night low motion: 1.3-2.5
day high motion: 2.3-4.0
480x360 mid quality Robin Hood cartoon: 3.5 (enlarged from 360x240 + 2D cleaner + warp sharp)
The Magic Kingdom Fireworks footage that just appeared on WDWMagic is 480x360 running at mega-compressed 1.3kb/frame including audio (fits 2:30 into 5.5meg) and it still looks better than most firework footage I've seen online. It really only has nitpicky differences from the 32meg 640x480 DIVX archive.
If you are doing your own capture, I recommend you always do the following:
1. Capture at very high quality and reduce later if neccessary. I keep a very high quality archive copy, and make reduced versions for sending to people online.
2. If you don't capture with VirtualDub, at least edit with VirtualDub. The following refers to VD filters:
3. Use Smart Deinterlace (with Frame-And-Field, Cubic, Motion Map Denoising, Threshold 5) (low motion video is better with Threshold 15)
4. Adjust Levels (almost always), and sharpness via Hue (if neccessary)
5. Apply 2D Cleaner or Smart Smoother HQ to reduce noise and file size. Always zoom in to make sure you're not overdoing it.
6. Apply Dynamic Noise Reduction (Threshold 4-8, higher for low motion video)
7. Compress your audio with MP3! You can save a massive amount of space vs PCM. I usually use 56K 22khz stereo/32K 22khz mono
8. Compress video with DIVX4, "1 Pass QUALITY based", 75% - 95%
9. Dance with joy at your beautiful video (optional)
I've spent hundreds of hours editing movies so here's some advice in the hope that online video quality will improve!
Huffy is very good for temporary storage, almost equal to lossless jpg in best (slightly lossy) YUY2 mode
The problem with WMV is it is in the clutches of Micro$oft, and you can't do as much with it. They like to threaten people who try to play or edit their files without permission, which I don't like. You can't edit it with many popular programs like VirtualDub. I generally edit all the movies I get because they have lighting or size problems, and with WMV, you're stuck with M$ tools or in some cases, nothing. I like keeping control of my movies, and I don't like a big greedy slimy smelly drooling corporation limiting what I can do with them.
You can get the best quality out of DIVX4 by using "1 Pass QUALITY based" not standard 1 Pass. I think there is a misconception that quality-based produces larger files - this is not the case. The difference is constant quality vs constant bitrate. Standard essentially lets quality fluctuate for the sake of a semi-constant bitrate, which is kinda pointless unless you are doing live broadcasts IMHO. I prefer to download whole videos then watch them, and in that case constant quality is important and constant bitrate is N/A.
I recommend a minimum quality of 75%, good quality at 85% and best around 95% - above that gets very expensive.
One interesting thing about DIVX is that you can make HIGHER RES video without a massive increase in size. 640x480 looks great, and 480x360 is a good compromise vs 320x240.
You can get an excellent quality/size ratio with DIVX4, especially if you use VirtualDub filters like 2D Cleaner, Smart Smoother HQ, Dynamic Noise Reduction, & PicFix
I have gotten the following data rates (KiloBytes per frame) by screwing around with filters, resolution, & DIVX:
640x480 mid quality
night low motion: 7-9
day low motion: 12-15
day high motion: 19-28
480x360 low quality
night low motion: 1.3-2.5
day high motion: 2.3-4.0
480x360 mid quality Robin Hood cartoon: 3.5 (enlarged from 360x240 + 2D cleaner + warp sharp)
The Magic Kingdom Fireworks footage that just appeared on WDWMagic is 480x360 running at mega-compressed 1.3kb/frame including audio (fits 2:30 into 5.5meg) and it still looks better than most firework footage I've seen online. It really only has nitpicky differences from the 32meg 640x480 DIVX archive.
If you are doing your own capture, I recommend you always do the following:
1. Capture at very high quality and reduce later if neccessary. I keep a very high quality archive copy, and make reduced versions for sending to people online.
2. If you don't capture with VirtualDub, at least edit with VirtualDub. The following refers to VD filters:
3. Use Smart Deinterlace (with Frame-And-Field, Cubic, Motion Map Denoising, Threshold 5) (low motion video is better with Threshold 15)
4. Adjust Levels (almost always), and sharpness via Hue (if neccessary)
5. Apply 2D Cleaner or Smart Smoother HQ to reduce noise and file size. Always zoom in to make sure you're not overdoing it.
6. Apply Dynamic Noise Reduction (Threshold 4-8, higher for low motion video)
7. Compress your audio with MP3! You can save a massive amount of space vs PCM. I usually use 56K 22khz stereo/32K 22khz mono
8. Compress video with DIVX4, "1 Pass QUALITY based", 75% - 95%
9. Dance with joy at your beautiful video (optional)
spagmoid
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more Video tips
Oh yeah, here's some things I've found that DON'T help much:
reducing contrast reduces size, but is usually not worth the quality loss
reducing frame rate does not reduce size as much as you would expect
same with reducing resolution - although interestingly if you use "Precise Bilinear" to resize, file size is smaller vs other methods
Coring is usually bad
Temporal Smoother (motion blur) is not worth it
Temporal Cleaner can be good if you desire noise reduction via motion blur, but PicFix is superior for retaining details. Sometimes these both have little effect on size, it depends on your video.
And I forgot to mention, after you capture CROP your video if you have bad edges.
And if you find this advice useful, spread it around!
Oh yeah, here's some things I've found that DON'T help much:
reducing contrast reduces size, but is usually not worth the quality loss
reducing frame rate does not reduce size as much as you would expect
same with reducing resolution - although interestingly if you use "Precise Bilinear" to resize, file size is smaller vs other methods
Coring is usually bad
Temporal Smoother (motion blur) is not worth it
Temporal Cleaner can be good if you desire noise reduction via motion blur, but PicFix is superior for retaining details. Sometimes these both have little effect on size, it depends on your video.
And I forgot to mention, after you capture CROP your video if you have bad edges.
And if you find this advice useful, spread it around!
orlpassholder
New Member
whew little drift 
to much to read at 7 in the morning
to much to read at 7 in the morningGeneral Grizz
New Member
I have a few goodies I might like to add. How do I send em to ya, PopKid?
And - anyone, please tell me if you have any of the following audio to add to a growing fan's collection =) that they will be willing to trade:
MASTER Omnisphere Track
(No distortion at all in “shuttle” scene)
Closing Music
(Heard in Horizons in the last scene where we hear “if we can dream it, we can do it; sparkly music)
Horizons 1 Sound Effect Scene
(The rising noise before the “Choose Your Tomorrow” crystal music…heard when seeing “launch” flashing signs)
Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow – Art Deco and Singer
(NOT from WDW Forever)
Exit Music 2
(From Horizons – not the version that cuts off)
Journey into Imagination Soundtrack
(NON Distorted)
GE 14 Minute Horizons Entrance Loop
(In master quality, I have a copy but it is “distorted”)
THANKS!!
And - anyone, please tell me if you have any of the following audio to add to a growing fan's collection =) that they will be willing to trade:
MASTER Omnisphere Track
(No distortion at all in “shuttle” scene)
Closing Music
(Heard in Horizons in the last scene where we hear “if we can dream it, we can do it; sparkly music)
Horizons 1 Sound Effect Scene
(The rising noise before the “Choose Your Tomorrow” crystal music…heard when seeing “launch” flashing signs)
Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow – Art Deco and Singer
(NOT from WDW Forever)
Exit Music 2
(From Horizons – not the version that cuts off)
Journey into Imagination Soundtrack
(NON Distorted)
GE 14 Minute Horizons Entrance Loop
(In master quality, I have a copy but it is “distorted”)
THANKS!!
popkid
New Member
wow, this is turning into a 'disney video 101' thread
thanks for all the tips, though i think i'm going to have to print out your post spagmoid before i can truly understand what you're saying...
i can't wait until i get more time to play around with more videos...
thanks now and spagmoid for all the tips...
thanks for all the tips, though i think i'm going to have to print out your post spagmoid before i can truly understand what you're saying...
i can't wait until i get more time to play around with more videos...
thanks now and spagmoid for all the tips...
General Grizz
New Member
I've got some good stuff for EVERYONE coming up!
lol
Thanks!
lol
Thanks!
orlpassholder
New Member
sweet the new drive is here YA MAN HEHEHE
Since I originally started this post, I should say something every once in a while!! Does anyone have a taping fron Jurassic park River Adventure in IOAA?? Has any one ever filmed the Muppet 4D Show in MGM???
Does anyone have a taping fron Jurassic park River Adventure in IOAA?? Has any one ever filmed the Muppet 4D Show in MGM???