Religious Skywriting over Epcot

[joel_maxwell]

Get in trouble for expressing an opinion? Get a grip.

You might not like the message, but people have a right to express their opinions in public. It's called freedom of speech.

And I would hardly call that "subjecting people to one's religious ideas". When people start forcibly taking others into their homes or churches, tying them to the chair and then forcing them to sit through a sermon, then talk to me about people subjecting others to their beliefs. Someone peacefully writing something in the sky hardly rises to the level of "join my faith or I kill you". Sheesh.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this guy doing what he did. Just that it hardly violates anyone's rights.

i bet al sharpton could win the case against that..... or jackie chiles. :lol:

 

[WDW Monorail]

Graphic

I would prefer this:

 

[Erika]

Agreed...

However... on a windy day... it is fun to watch the smile turn into a sorta frown / odd looking grimace (no, not the purple McDonalds guy). :ROFLOL:

Now that I'd pay to see! :ROFLOL:

 

[EpcotGrl]

No one can get arrested for describing their views in a public place as long aas what they are doing is legal. It is called Freedom of Speech or in this case, a modified form of Freedom of the Press.
Okay, hopefully my statement won't get this thread closed.:wave:

Oh no, I'm sorry...I wasn't implying it was because it was a religious message or anything...I seem to remember an actual court battle, because there was no flying over MK for ANYONE. Again, could be wrong and definitely not implying that religious messages are evil :wave:

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Then excercise your right to say "no thank you", or to throw the pamphlet in the trash.



I wouldn't like it if someone did that, but free speech would still apply. And I'm not so thin skinned and insecure in my own beliefs that I would feel personally threatened or feel that my rights are being violated because of someone skywriting a non-Christian message. I think I would go on with my day at WDW and have just as good a day as I would have had otherwise.



What does that have to do with anything?

I never, NEVER stated it violated anyone's rights. I said I didn't like it. I stated my opinion. I am not thin skinned either, but when you have been treated the way I have at the hands of others based on your religion, you might see why I personally find it annoying. NOT a violation of my rights, just really annoying. And it doesn't ruin my day at WDW, it just bugs me while I'm waiting on line for SSE and can see it.

Someone said they'd close this thread if we turned it into a religious debate, and instead you've attempted to turn it into a civil rights debate.

Stop ganging up on me.

 

[DMC-12]

Now that I'd pay to see! :ROFLOL:

Yeah... we need more Grimace and "Hamburgler Saves" sky writings. :lookaroun :lol: :sohappy:

 

[PotteryGal]

First of all, your telling me to 'get a grip' was a little harsh, since I was merely expressing my opinion, and I did it in a non-offensive way.

Secondly, when people are pushing their pamphlets in my hand and telling me 'God Bless You', it is not appropriate.

Thirdly, if this guy was saying 'Goddess Loves You' or 'Kali Loves You' or 'Satan Loves You', you can bet the outcry would be much, much louder than my little voice.

Lastly, this country already went through the 'join my faith or I'll kill you' phase, and it went well.

Actually, you just find the nearest trash can and pitch it if you don't like it.

And if this guy was writing anything I didn't like, regardless of whether it was religious or not, I'd just roll my eyes and walk on. There's a lot of beautiful things to see around you that you can look at instead. The main point being, you don't have to look up, you don't have to read anything...this guy is exercising his free speech rights, just like you are.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Does the First Amendment apply on Disney property? I didn't think (as a previous poster stated) that it applied on private property. Disney is not a "public place" leagally, and you do agree to certain conduct restrictions. Not that it has anything to do with skywriting, as it is not done on Disney property, but just a curious question.

 

[fizzle75]

We have seen this over Epcot as well, and without trying to turn this into a religious arguement, I think it's horrible and annoying to try and subject a park full of tourists to your religious ideas. I also hate those signs on the side of the road that talk about Jesus loving you, and I also hate people who try to hand me tracts and pamphlets while I'm in a public place. I hope whoever does this on a regular basis will get in trouble.

:zipit: :zipit: :zipit:

I just have a personal pet peeve about religious zealots.

:zipit: :zipit: :zipit:

I completely agree.
On a side note... funds devoted to writing a few words in the sky could have been put to better use...

I wholeheartedly agree!:wave:

No one can get arrested for describing their views in a public place as long aas what they are doing is legal. It is called Freedom of Speech or in this case, a modified form of Freedom of the Press.
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Yay, somebody gets it!!!

I would assume it costs a great deal of money to fly that plane and put pollutants into the atmosphere as often as it does. That's the kind of money I would rather see a religous organization (or any group) put into cleaning up a local lake or feeding the homeless......

Amen. They aren't going to change anyone's mind by their words, they should do it by their deeds.

Exactly.

By the way, we also saw the skywriting at MGM last December as we were coming out of Lights, Motors, Action.

We found it...inspirational and uplifting.

I totally support the pilot's message and I appreciate his zeal but I personally believe there are MUCH better ways to communicate it.

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Actually, you just find the nearest trash can and pitch it if you don't like it.

And if this guy was writing anything I didn't like, regardless of whether it was religious or not, I'd just roll my eyes and walk on. There's a lot of beautiful things to see around you that you can look at instead. The main point being, you don't have to look up, you don't have to read anything...this guy is exercising his free speech rights, just like you are.

We could argue this all day, and if people keep quoting me and pointing out things that are my opinion, I can do the same.

This guy has a right to skywrite his opinion wherever he wants. Don't I have a right to fresh air and an unobstructed view of the sky?

 

[WDW Monorail]

WDW isn't a public place. The First Amendment doesn't apply there.

Really? Then tell me who owns the sky.

Oh and I am certainly not defending the pilot.

 

[PotteryGal]

Does the First Amendment apply on Disney property? I didn't think (as a previous poster stated) that it applied on private property. Disney is not a "public place" leagally, and you do agree to certain conduct restrictions. Not that it has anything to do with skywriting, as it is not done on Disney property, but just a curious question.

But is the sky above Disney private or public? That's an interesting point. If this individual was violating Disney's space, that would be solicitation and Disney would have to give permission. I'm assuming it's public airspace or Disney would have already put a stop to it.

 

[PotteryGal]

We could argue this all day, and if people keep quoting me and pointing out things that are my opinion, I can do the same.

This guy has a right to skywrite his opinion wherever he wants. Don't I have a right to fresh air and an unobstructed view of the sky?

Yes, but he's not covering the whole sky - you can look elsewhere and still get a lovely view if you so desire. And I'm not trying to argue...I just don't see the point of getting worked up about this. :shrug:

 

[Erika]

I think both sides here have made a lot of really good points, but this is not necessarily the place to discuss/address them. Getting a little political in here.

...I just don't see the point of getting worked up about this. :shrug:

Me neither :shrug:

But is the sky above Disney private or public? That's an interesting point. If this individual was violating Disney's space, that would be solicitation and Disney would have to give permission. I'm assuming it's public airspace or Disney would have already put a stop to it.

That is interesting-- does anybody know?

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Yeah... we need more Grimace and "Hamburgler Saves" sky writings. :lookaroun :lol: :sohappy:

Now that's just silly :lookaroun

 

[fizzle75]

Get in trouble for expressing an opinion? Get a grip.

You might not like the message, but people have a right to express their opinions in public. It's called freedom of speech.

And I would hardly call that "subjecting people to one's religious ideas". When people start forcibly taking others into their homes or churches, tying them to the chair and then forcing them to sit through a sermon, then talk to me about people subjecting others to their beliefs. Someone peacefully writing something in the sky hardly rises to the level of "join my faith or I kill you". Sheesh.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this guy doing what he did. Just that it hardly violates anyone's rights.

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

:wave:

 

[k.hunter30]

The problem is that the skywriting isn't actually being done on WDW property. It's just visible there.



WDW isn't a public place. The First Amendment doesn't apply there.

Public AIR space.

 

[Timmay]

This guy has a right to skywrite his opinion wherever he wants.

No, he doesn't...that is false.

Don't I have a right to fresh air and an unobstructed view of the sky?

No, you most certainly do not. The Constitution of the United States grants you no such "rights".

Disney does not "own" the airspace above it's property. The FAA (and military) sets restricted air space. I do not know what the restrictions are for WDW, but most airspace restrictions end and a certain altitude. I have a sectional chart for fForida and Orlando that is a few years old...I can check it when I get home, but I am sure someone will have the answer before then

 

[WDW Monorail]

To answer several person's questions about WDW's airspace, it is not owned by Disney. Technically, it is "owned" by the people of the United States and is controlled by NORAD.

 

[Erika]

To answer several person's questions about WDW's airspace, it is not owned by Disney. Technically, it is "owned" by the people of the United States and is controlled by NORAD.

Thank you! :wave: