News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mkt]

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Yeah. That's not what the law says.

Amend the law to reflect the meme.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

That’s not the majority.

They are though. And if you don’t realize that, you are part of the problem.

 

[LittleBuford]

What would that conclusion be?

A conclusion that focuses on her “unbecoming” private life rather than on all the other issues with such a person. Most of us don’t care what she chooses to do behind closed doors; it’s the sanctimonious hypocrisy and rabid zealotry we object to.

 

[flynnibus]

So, about the meeting. Anything newsworthy other than who showed up?

Just more obvious that the groups that show up for public comment are being orchestrated by the district themselves.

"Hey, we're gonna push a cancer run -- lets find all these cancer organization people and ask them to show up and preach about how great we are for doing this"

Plus, the Disney Defender guy was back in force this month.

 

[mmascari]

So Ziegler and her colleagues were appointed to the board instead of individuals with experience running a special district because...?

I'm one of the most conservative members of this site, and I'll gladly admit she and the others were appointed because of their "culture warrior" bona fides.

So the entire CFTOD board was appointed to execute on a goal that CFTOD is not actually chartered to accomplish?

And yet, people wonder why the entire change to CFTOD is being challenged?

 

[Brian]

So the entire CFTOD board was appointed to execute on a goal that CFTOD is not actually chartered to accomplish?

And yet, people wonder why the entire change to CFTOD is being challenged?

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something? With very few exceptions, the entirety of this thread has been complaints about the retaliatory action taken by Gov. DeSantis against Disney in response to their very public position on social issues.

 

[mmascari]

That's not what I said. I said that they were picked because he knew that they could carry forward "the mission." That doesn't mean they also can't do the job of running the district.

So, you're saying they were picked to implement an uncharted goal they are not authorized to accomplish by abusing the powers they do have to exert government control over the speech of a private entity?

Are you writing supporting arguments for the Disney lawyers now?

 

[Disney Analyst]

West Orange County here, at the same time in history. It wasn't that far off on the redneckometer back then (I remember when Winter Garden was nicknamed Winter Garbage and Ocoee was Hick-coee), and they didn't ban books either.

Here’s the thing, I don’t think anyone in here would be against restricting books that are not age appropriate from specific grades or age groups.

Heck, if a book somehow made it onto the shelves that was incredibly inappropriate for any age group, I would like a committee of educators to determine if it’s appropriate, and how it made it to the shelves if not.

A few potential bad books does not explain the literacy excellence that is being banned across the state and country. What is the process for approving a book? What is the process for assessing complaints and potentially removing books? And why should a politically motivated board have any part in it?

I want educators and experts determining these things, based on research and fact, with well thought out reasoning for keeping or removing.

I don’t want a partisan board motivated by the latest culture war (which they manufactured to maintain power) deciding.

 

[flynnibus]

FWIW, according to the Associated Press, the police have recommended dropping the most serious charge since the video he made of the encounter supports his contention that the activity was consensual.

HOWEVER -- and it's a big however -- the police are now recommending charging him with illegally recording the encounter without the other party's knowledge, as the woman involved denies authorizing a recording.

I'm sure in the end when the dirt books are written it will all come out that this was some escort situation where they went to get their thrills and she exposed him after he power tripped on her.

 

[UNCgolf]

If you’re good with including a book that has content related to child incest and rape at a school…well that’s pretty sad.

I would say it's very sad that you think teenagers need to be treated like 5 year olds.

 

[Andrew C]

What is the process for approving a book? What is the process for assessing complaints and potentially removing books?

This can differ by state and school district, depending on state and local laws. Florida has a law on the books where there is quite a large window for interpretation from the counties. There is an argument to be made that this is a problem.

 

[UNCgolf]

Eh, I could think of a few.

ISBN 978-4072427194 for example.

I was really thinking novels rather than non-fiction, but fair.

 

[mmascari]

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something?

I was under the impression you were in support of the change from RCID to CFTOD.

Is that incorrect?

It's possible I've lost track of who supports CFTOD and who thinks they're government run amok.

 

[wdwmagic]

Let's bring the book debate to a close please. Back to CFTOD.

 

[Brian]

I was under the impression you were in support of the change from RCID to CFTOD.

Is that incorrect?

It's possible I've lost track of who supports CFTOD and who thinks they're government run amok.

I was in support of removing Disney's special privileges back when the idea of taking away RCID and leaving them with nothing was the goal, however, I was unhappy it was being done for retaliatory reasons. It should have been done because of the unique benefits it offers Disney when compared with other theme parks without a special district, and even other special districts, not because they very publicly spoke out against Florida's (at the time) pending legislation.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's not what I said. I said that they were picked because he knew that they could carry forward "the mission." That doesn't mean they also can't do the job of running the district.

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something? With very few exceptions, the entirety of this thread has been complaints about the retaliatory action taken by Gov. DeSantis against Disney in response to their very public position on social issues.

You keep trying to minimize the issue by claiming the District (regardless of individual members) cannot actually achieve its mission.

 

[Brian]

You keep trying to minimize the issue by claiming the District (regardless of individual members) cannot actually achieve its mission.

Two things can be true at once. DeSantis could have appointed "cultural warriors" to the CFTOD board with the hope that they will stymie the DEI initiatives, while at the same time such efforts are in vain because CFTOD is but a glimmer in the night sky when compared with the entire galaxy of TWDC enterprise.

 

[mmascari]

I was in support of removing Disney's special privileges back when the idea of taking away RCID and leaving them with nothing was the goal,

The thing that didn't happen then. Not the thing that did happen.

however, I was unhappy it was being done for retaliatory reasons. It should have been done because of the unique benefits it offers Disney when compared with other theme parks without a special district, and even other special districts, not because they very publicly spoke out against Florida's (at the time) pending legislation.

Did anyone ever compile a list of these special things that were/are only available to Disney?

I seem to remember that a Special District is a legal thing in FL available to anyone who wants to create one within a standard creation process. Which would imply that others don't have them the same way is a choice not a restriction.

I remember lots of false talking points for things RCID granted to Disney that are not things RCID actually grants to Disney. I don't remember anyone ever actually showing that Disney was granted special powers that are not also available to others that go through the same special district creation process.

My favorite (not that you've said this, I don't remember) is still, that RCID let Disney avoid paying taxes but somehow CFTOD does not. A statement that is clearly wrong in many ways.

 

[Nevermore525]

I was in support of removing Disney's special privileges back when the idea of taking away RCID and leaving them with nothing was the goal, however, I was unhappy it was being done for retaliatory reasons. It should have been done because of the unique benefits it offers Disney when compared with other theme parks without a special district, and even other special districts, not because they very publicly spoke out against Florida's (at the time) pending legislation.

If only Florida had competent governance and actually done it appropriately the first time instead of acting on the whims of someone who wanted to elevate his platform quickly only to have it crash and burn.

 

[mmascari]

If only Florida had competent governance and could’ve actually done it appropriately the first time

That's probably debatable. Didn't the former studies show that RCID was a Win-Win for both Disney and the state? That would mean "competent governance" was to keep not remove RCID.