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[Brian]

You seem to share the group’s obsession with Ziegler, even if you’ve reached a very different conclusion about her.

What would that conclusion be? I have repeatedly said, and I sincerely believe, that she should resign and that her infidelity was unbecoming.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That's right. I could also list a number of books that have been banned by authors such as Ernest Hemingway and Arthur C Clarke. Did you know 2001: A Space Odyssey is banned in Collier County?

The ironic thing about banning books, is that it’s such a blatant tool of corrupt governments who want to control their populace, the very thing they preach against.

If they take away your individual power to educate yourself, and see other perspectives, to read a story; this usually means they are afraid of what that education does to their prospects of power.

 

[UNCgolf]

Then why can one not admit both would be good? Recognize that the law has room for adjustment while also being okay with getting these types of books out of school. The default is always “they want to ban books!!” Well, look at the books..it makes sense to not have in schools.

I don't think there are any books that should be banned from high school libraries.

 

[Andrew C]

There are people who want to remove any book that shows a gay couple because they are afraid it will turn their children gay.

That’s not the majority.

 

[mkt]

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Yeah. That's not what the law says.

Amend the law to reflect the meme.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

That’s not the majority.

They are though. And if you don’t realize that, you are part of the problem.

 

[LittleBuford]

What would that conclusion be?

A conclusion that focuses on her “unbecoming” private life rather than on all the other issues with such a person. Most of us don’t care what she chooses to do behind closed doors; it’s the sanctimonious hypocrisy and rabid zealotry we object to.

 

[flynnibus]

So, about the meeting. Anything newsworthy other than who showed up?

Just more obvious that the groups that show up for public comment are being orchestrated by the district themselves.

"Hey, we're gonna push a cancer run -- lets find all these cancer organization people and ask them to show up and preach about how great we are for doing this"

Plus, the Disney Defender guy was back in force this month.

 

[mmascari]

So Ziegler and her colleagues were appointed to the board instead of individuals with experience running a special district because...?

I'm one of the most conservative members of this site, and I'll gladly admit she and the others were appointed because of their "culture warrior" bona fides.

So the entire CFTOD board was appointed to execute on a goal that CFTOD is not actually chartered to accomplish?

And yet, people wonder why the entire change to CFTOD is being challenged?

 

[Brian]

So the entire CFTOD board was appointed to execute on a goal that CFTOD is not actually chartered to accomplish?

And yet, people wonder why the entire change to CFTOD is being challenged?

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something? With very few exceptions, the entirety of this thread has been complaints about the retaliatory action taken by Gov. DeSantis against Disney in response to their very public position on social issues.

 

[mmascari]

That's not what I said. I said that they were picked because he knew that they could carry forward "the mission." That doesn't mean they also can't do the job of running the district.

So, you're saying they were picked to implement an uncharted goal they are not authorized to accomplish by abusing the powers they do have to exert government control over the speech of a private entity?

Are you writing supporting arguments for the Disney lawyers now?

 

[Disney Analyst]

West Orange County here, at the same time in history. It wasn't that far off on the redneckometer back then (I remember when Winter Garden was nicknamed Winter Garbage and Ocoee was Hick-coee), and they didn't ban books either.

Here’s the thing, I don’t think anyone in here would be against restricting books that are not age appropriate from specific grades or age groups.

Heck, if a book somehow made it onto the shelves that was incredibly inappropriate for any age group, I would like a committee of educators to determine if it’s appropriate, and how it made it to the shelves if not.

A few potential bad books does not explain the literacy excellence that is being banned across the state and country. What is the process for approving a book? What is the process for assessing complaints and potentially removing books? And why should a politically motivated board have any part in it?

I want educators and experts determining these things, based on research and fact, with well thought out reasoning for keeping or removing.

I don’t want a partisan board motivated by the latest culture war (which they manufactured to maintain power) deciding.

 

[flynnibus]

FWIW, according to the Associated Press, the police have recommended dropping the most serious charge since the video he made of the encounter supports his contention that the activity was consensual.

HOWEVER -- and it's a big however -- the police are now recommending charging him with illegally recording the encounter without the other party's knowledge, as the woman involved denies authorizing a recording.

I'm sure in the end when the dirt books are written it will all come out that this was some escort situation where they went to get their thrills and she exposed him after he power tripped on her.

 

[UNCgolf]

If you’re good with including a book that has content related to child incest and rape at a school…well that’s pretty sad.

I would say it's very sad that you think teenagers need to be treated like 5 year olds.

 

[Andrew C]

What is the process for approving a book? What is the process for assessing complaints and potentially removing books?

This can differ by state and school district, depending on state and local laws. Florida has a law on the books where there is quite a large window for interpretation from the counties. There is an argument to be made that this is a problem.

 

[UNCgolf]

Eh, I could think of a few.

ISBN 978-4072427194 for example.

I was really thinking novels rather than non-fiction, but fair.

 

[mmascari]

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something?

I was under the impression you were in support of the change from RCID to CFTOD.

Is that incorrect?

It's possible I've lost track of who supports CFTOD and who thinks they're government run amok.

 

[wdwmagic]

Let's bring the book debate to a close please. Back to CFTOD.

 

[Brian]

I was under the impression you were in support of the change from RCID to CFTOD.

Is that incorrect?

It's possible I've lost track of who supports CFTOD and who thinks they're government run amok.

I was in support of removing Disney's special privileges back when the idea of taking away RCID and leaving them with nothing was the goal, however, I was unhappy it was being done for retaliatory reasons. It should have been done because of the unique benefits it offers Disney when compared with other theme parks without a special district, and even other special districts, not because they very publicly spoke out against Florida's (at the time) pending legislation.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's not what I said. I said that they were picked because he knew that they could carry forward "the mission." That doesn't mean they also can't do the job of running the district.

Are you feigning ignorance to be provocative or something? With very few exceptions, the entirety of this thread has been complaints about the retaliatory action taken by Gov. DeSantis against Disney in response to their very public position on social issues.

You keep trying to minimize the issue by claiming the District (regardless of individual members) cannot actually achieve its mission.