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Ratatouille in Epcot
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Sam Magic
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Well you can make out the ride building whose facade is obviously the mountians, the shops which would extend to the bay, and some 'Rainforest' cover area. So you actually gauge a pretty nice feel for the place, when I have time I'll do a draw up of what it may look like.
I get what your saying, I think it's sad that its a reality. However I think that things can be turned around fairly easily. The first thing would be to bring a unifying design back to FW, next would be to update/improve each pavillion one by one.
Not sure I understand this, could you elaborate more?
Cesar R M
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let it gooooooooooo.
(btw, unsure if you got my reference of the cri-me-a river)
I still dont know why they cant try both.
use remy and gang; but teach the public about food, gastronomy and french culture on the go (just like the movie did a bit)
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Tim Lohr
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The problem with Epcot isn't World Showcase, it's Future World. FW has always been the main attraction in the front half of the park, but it used to be a place that everyone could enjoy, the fact that it doesn't do that job anymore is the main problem with the Epcot of today.
World of Motion, Horizons, Imagination, and Living Seas were all "family rides" meaning that people of all ages could ride and enjoy them, which is what the Disney parks are know for, but for some reason, over the years the term "family ride" has come to mean "kiddie rides". When they turned World of Motion and Horizons into "grown up" thrill rides and Imagination and Living Seas into "kiddie rides" they didn't make Epcot more popular, they cut the appeal of the park in half. They took 4 rides that everyone could enjoy, and made 2 that only appeal to adults and 2 that only appeal to kids, but what made Epcot successful was having all 4 rides draw as many people as possible
Adding Ratatouille to Epcot, won't ruin World Showcase, but it won't help matters either, it'll just be a waste of money and resources that should go toward making Future World a place that everybody wants to go to again, and if they desperately need to have thrill rides put "them" in WS, add the Swiss roller coaster, and the Japan roller coaster, because they are cheap and easy to build and no one really cares what a thrill ride is themed to...
They also need to finally give up on this corporate sponsorship B.S., it was the sponsors that wanted World of Motion and Imagination replaced, the sponsors are more trouble than they are worth because they don't know anything about running a theme park. The corporate sponsorship model is a failed idea from a bygone era, and the Walt Disney Company of today can certainly afford to redo a Future World Pavilion per year for the next 10 years themselves, in the mean time I won't be wasting any more time or money going to Epcot because it simply isn't worth it the way it stands now
World of Motion, Horizons, Imagination, and Living Seas were all "family rides" meaning that people of all ages could ride and enjoy them, which is what the Disney parks are know for, but for some reason, over the years the term "family ride" has come to mean "kiddie rides". When they turned World of Motion and Horizons into "grown up" thrill rides and Imagination and Living Seas into "kiddie rides" they didn't make Epcot more popular, they cut the appeal of the park in half. They took 4 rides that everyone could enjoy, and made 2 that only appeal to adults and 2 that only appeal to kids, but what made Epcot successful was having all 4 rides draw as many people as possible
Adding Ratatouille to Epcot, won't ruin World Showcase, but it won't help matters either, it'll just be a waste of money and resources that should go toward making Future World a place that everybody wants to go to again, and if they desperately need to have thrill rides put "them" in WS, add the Swiss roller coaster, and the Japan roller coaster, because they are cheap and easy to build and no one really cares what a thrill ride is themed to...
They also need to finally give up on this corporate sponsorship B.S., it was the sponsors that wanted World of Motion and Imagination replaced, the sponsors are more trouble than they are worth because they don't know anything about running a theme park. The corporate sponsorship model is a failed idea from a bygone era, and the Walt Disney Company of today can certainly afford to redo a Future World Pavilion per year for the next 10 years themselves, in the mean time I won't be wasting any more time or money going to Epcot because it simply isn't worth it the way it stands now
stevehousse
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You will all probably think I'm nuts but I want Ellen's Energy Adventure to be changed into a "Green Energy" Pavillion with a WALLE ride...
Captain Neo
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the.dreamfinder
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The piece was created by one of Cameron's people, who is a big name concept designer in Hollywood.
Omnispace
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My niece is heavily into Dr Who. No offense to any fans here but I pretty much dismissed it back in the 70's -- the acting was just too silly for my tastes -- so I am not up on it currently. Is it really a huge thing in Britain? ...or something British that just has become really popular in the US??
Honestly, I don't mind a bit of modern culture from a country creeping into WS -- just as long as the entire land if not dedicated to it. So many of these cultural phenomena go out of style very quickly and what we are left with is an extremely outdated attraction. Though having some smaller current event elements that spice up the shopping experience could be fun and changed out easily when society moves on to something else.
What could be interesting for Britain would be an attraction that perhaps features an adventure through children's literature -- though not the cartoon versions but the sources for all the classics that still inspire us today. You could even throw in scenes from the original Marry Poppins, Wind in the Willows, Alice in Wonderland, etc.. to make that connection to what inspired Disney. It represents the culture (I always think of GB as being literary), while providing an attraction that can appeal to guests on several levels.
I'm not actually trying to Blue Sky something here. Just saying that there is a lot more to these countries and their cultures that can be made a worthwhile experience.
Honestly, I don't mind a bit of modern culture from a country creeping into WS -- just as long as the entire land if not dedicated to it. So many of these cultural phenomena go out of style very quickly and what we are left with is an extremely outdated attraction. Though having some smaller current event elements that spice up the shopping experience could be fun and changed out easily when society moves on to something else.
What could be interesting for Britain would be an attraction that perhaps features an adventure through children's literature -- though not the cartoon versions but the sources for all the classics that still inspire us today. You could even throw in scenes from the original Marry Poppins, Wind in the Willows, Alice in Wonderland, etc.. to make that connection to what inspired Disney. It represents the culture (I always think of GB as being literary), while providing an attraction that can appeal to guests on several levels.
I'm not actually trying to Blue Sky something here. Just saying that there is a lot more to these countries and their cultures that can be made a worthwhile experience.
Sam Magic
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They can certainly do that.
Also, I got the reference
The wavy pattern is a popular walkway in Rio, it was the main inspiration behind the Rio 2016 'look':I'm guessing by the wavy pattern on the ground that his is an early version of Brazil, back from WS was all in a huge circular building. I wonder what that portal to the left of the water feature leads to? ....a boat ride?
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Also, where did you find the picture of the model?
FrankLapidus
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We've produced some of the greatest storytellers to have ever lived, Britain has so much more to offer a potential UK attraction than Dr. bloody Who; Dahl, Dickens, Carroll, Conan Doyle, Blyton, Pratchett.
An attraction based on the amazing, imaginative creations of any one of those writers could be incredible. That's if you discount the possibility of using classic British-based Disney films like Mary Poppins as a basis for an attraction.
An attraction based on the amazing, imaginative creations of any one of those writers could be incredible. That's if you discount the possibility of using classic British-based Disney films like Mary Poppins as a basis for an attraction.
If you guys think Dr Who is a great example of British ways, culture and life then god help us.
Its a single tv show on a single tv network. Laughed at through the 70s and 80s until a higher budget resurrection in 2005 brought it to a new audience.
Kind of like having Knight Rider instead of the American Adventure (and I loved Knight Rider)
Its a single tv show on a single tv network. Laughed at through the 70s and 80s until a higher budget resurrection in 2005 brought it to a new audience.
Kind of like having Knight Rider instead of the American Adventure (and I loved Knight Rider)
Captain Neo
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ok but the point is Disney still has plenty of good artists who do concept art. Like Scott Drake:
Captain Neo
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It got outgrossed by a Narnia movie and was quickly forgotten. Most people who saw it also felt it was a poorly done film. It's considered a bomb because of the ridiculous hype the movie got and how Peter Jackson was supposedly hot stuff coming off the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
ok but the point is Disney still has plenty of good artists who do concept art. Like Scott Drake:
Is that a Meet The Robinsons attraction? The building and vehicles look just like the ones from the film.
PhotoDave219
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What part of "No, Doctor Who doesn't fit nor belong in Epcot no matter what rabid fanbois say" isn't clear?
the.dreamfinder
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But UNI isn't necessarily doing it based on the film success, or from your perspective lack thereof. According to @HTF , USH saw a big bump in attendance when they added King Kong 360 to the studio tour so they think it will help increase attendance at IoA. It will also take pressure off WWoHP:Hogsmeade. If it were up to me, I would use the land to expand Jurassic Park and save Kong, and Jaws, for a third gate.
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NormC
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TalkingHead
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It's their culture. Idk why Americans have to be so stupid in trying to enforce their views on the rest of the world.
Btw, I know that you're just stating an observation, and not trying to start anything.
Reminds me of the quote from Mad Men. Don Draper, speaking to some folks who want to market Israel as a tourist destination, says, "You're not thinking of putting a hundred and fifty foot statue of Jesus in Tel Aviv, are you? That's how we sold Rio."
I guess I'm not holding my breath on any of these Epcot projects. After all, we've had so many close calls with getting new rides that suddenly go DOA.
Monsters Inc door coaster, Cars Land replacing LMA (that even came with a @whylightbulb post telling us it was an imminent project)...
Maybe Rat is added to France. Maybe it's not.
But it definitely looks like Kong is coming to IOA. Funny how the Disney community gets worked up on rumors that rarely pan out. The Universal community gets construction projects that begin unannounced.