the.dreamfinder
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I'm going to keep drumming this message, if you want Epcot to change for the better, upper management and the CULTURE of TWDC need to change.
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Ratatouille in Epcot
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CDavid
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I don't think I've ever seen that bottom picture before, but I like the concept. World Showcase has long needed an omnimover.
On the contrary, I think every country needs a proper attraction of some fashion, as opposed to just entertainment 'in the streets' or just exhibits and decorations. However, every country's attraction doesn't have to be a ride. There is sometimes a blurry line between entertainment and show-based attractions (Beauty & the Beast is an attraction, but anything on the Castle forecourt stage is entertainment, for instance), but if it is a more or less permanent show in a dedicated venue, it probably qualifies.
There are better places than the United Kingdom in World Showcase for Dr. Who, but due to it being generally less familiar here in America, and so much a part and showcase of British culture, this is perhaps the one 'character' which I could live with in World Showcase. You could make it fit in the pavilion, but again, Hollywood Studios is literally made for this sort of thing. Strictly speaking, it isn't appropriate for Tomorrowland either, but perhaps it can be loosely argued that the vision for that land has shifted in an age of Future World and the Studios parks.
And again - Ratatouille does not work thematically in the French pavilion in World Showcase!
It's your right to argue you think it should be built there, but remember by doing so you are necessarily making an exception which fundamentally undermines the theme and purpose of the park itself.
Separation of church and state has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand; The Walt Disney Company is neither church nor state. In any event, a statue (or cross, etc.) on a government building or property does not necessarily violate this statute anyway (nor should it).
Thank You. More loosely interpreted, we could also include the Tree of Life.
Since they are building the Ratatouille ride in Disneyland Paris, that makes the Ratatouille ride part of the French culture. So as long as they build miniature replica of Disneyland Paris, as the themed queue, to get into the Ratatouille Ride, behind the France Pavilion in Epcot, it will all make perfect sense being in World Showcase...
That's really...really...really...stretching things. Doesn't work, but nice try.
NormC
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I have no problems with character based attractions being added to WS as long as it is done right. Maintain the educational purpose and showcase the culture of the country they are placed in. I believe a Frozen ride in Norway could be done correctly if they chose to do so. I believe adding a Rat's ride to the empty pad adjacent to France could be done well without taking away from what is currently there. I think the travel and tourism films that are currently in some country showcases are poor excuses for cultural education and more of a commercial to travel there. People and culture first, commercialism later. If the host country no longer pays for the pavilion that pretty much leaves it to Disney's discretion which as we know is not always ideal. Donald Duck in Mexico for example.
lazyboy97o
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And that won't happen when every shiny new toy is celebrated as a great fit.
Matt_Black
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A seven-year old film is somehow a "shiny new toy"?
lazyboy97o
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The attraction is new and even if it was twenty years old, it would be new to Walt Disney World.
Tim Lohr
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Hey they have DCA's "Soarin' over California" behind the Land pavilion... for some reason
So why not DLP's rat ride at the France pavilion, Mystic Manor at the China pavilion, and take you pick of Tokyo Disney Sea attractions at the Japan pavilion?
lazyboy97o
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Better-Worse is not a circle. Just making things worse doesn't eventually get you to better.Hey they have DCA's "Soarin' over California" behind the Land pavilion... for some reason
So why not DLP's rat ride at the France pavilion, Mystic Manor at the China pavilion, and take you pick of Tokyo Disney Sea attractions at the Japan pavilion?
PeterAlt
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No, but it does offer consistency and theme contiguity.
Tim Lohr
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wow, perhaps you are taking the Wile E Coyote thing a bit too seriously
Sam Magic
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Doctor Who, while a popular British Icon is centered around a time traveling alien from a planet called Galifrey. As a huge fan of the show I think it works inside Tomorrow land, however I would love to see little nods to the show in the UK pavillion.I don't think I've ever seen that bottom picture before, but I like the concept. World Showcase has long needed an omnimover.
On the contrary, I think every country needs a proper attraction of some fashion, as opposed to just entertainment 'in the streets' or just exhibits and decorations. However, every country's attraction doesn't have to be a ride. There is sometimes a blurry line between entertainment and show-based attractions (Beauty & the Beast is an attraction, but anything on the Castle forecourt stage is entertainment, for instance), but if it is a more or less permanent show in a dedicated venue, it probably qualifies.
There are better places than the United Kingdom in World Showcase for Dr. Who, but due to it being generally less familiar here in America, and so much a part and showcase of British culture, this is perhaps the one 'character' which I could live with in World Showcase. You could make it fit in the pavilion, but again, Hollywood Studios is literally made for this sort of thing. Strictly speaking, it isn't appropriate for Tomorrowland either, but perhaps it can be loosely argued that the vision for that land has shifted in an age of Future World and the Studios parks.
And again - Ratatouille does not work thematically in the French pavilion in World Showcase!
It's your right to argue you think it should be built there, but remember by doing so you are necessarily making an exception which fundamentally undermines the theme and purpose of the park itself.
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Separation of church and state has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand; The Walt Disney Company is neither church nor state. In any event, a statue (or cross, etc.) on a government building or property does not necessarily violate this statute anyway (nor should it).
Thank You. More loosely interpreted, we could also include the Tree of Life.
That's really...really...really...stretching things. Doesn't work, but nice try.
As a main contributor to the imagineering forum here, this idea has come up very often. If it had to be in the UK, look at a proposal I mad last year for WEDS Think Different challenge. Logistically it would work, but I would prefer a unique coaster based on the IR be created instead. It would appeal to more people, not just us DW fans.
PeterAlt
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Wal E at EC... Now, that's an idea!
Stevek
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I can see both sides of the argument. Thematically it both does fit (french) and does not (cartoons). All depends on how much of a purist you are at this point with themes and purposes of WS (and Epcot in general) that have already been muddied. My fear is that while this attraction could be great (still TBD), it would open the floodgate to what many people fear, cartoonifying WS. I'm firmly against a Frozen overlay to Maelstrom and this falls into the same bucket. Build it at the Studios.
JLipnick
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I was just explaining that i have a very liberal view in terms of the seperation and yet i was fully in favor of this being the iconic structure in a hopefully future build of Brazil at WS. This was in response to many posts that said Disney may not put the statue up if they did build out Brazil in order to stay out of that potential dilemma. that was all.
Sam Magic
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Tim Lohr
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you'd think the one character that's actually from the future, and all environmental and stuff, would actually fit well in Future World
Bryner84
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Agreed to an extent. From my design experience, you can get away with a quick down and dirty rendering to get an idea a cross...but it better be a beautiful, down and dirty rendering. It should look like it came from the hand of someone who has the ability to do great work, but is only at the conceptual stage in their thought process. At that stage to whomever you are presenting, the idea IS the visual. An ugly rendering in order get approval to advance a concept will get you nowhere.
This is obviously an internal rendering, but if someone has to sign off and approve on the idea to keep moving it forward, then they might not be so moved to do so by a cartoonish visual.
Matt_Black
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It would have to be VERY well done. Let's imagine we ask random Joe these two options and see which gets a better reaction.
"Would you like to ride a thrill ride about the history of manufacturing, or the one with the time-traveling alien who fights monsters?" Now, I ain't a bettin' man....
Sam Magic
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All the recent concept art has had a cartoon look to it:
http://.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dub69423LARGE-800x512.jpg
http://.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lum483422LARGE-800x573.jpg
Granted there are the nice ones:
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2011-new-fantasyland.jpg
