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Ratatouille in Epcot

Tavernacle12

Well-Known Member
Almost everything proposed as a new build is IP. For better or for worse. Some is very substantial. I've said it elsewhere EPCOT Center is dead. Let's just hope Epcot v3 is better than v2 ended up.
Are the IPs at least ones that mostly fit? Stuff like Inside Out (Imagination/WOL), Big Hero Six (Innovations), Ratatouille (France), Mary Poppins (U.K.), and Mulan (China) could actually fit at least as well as Three Cabelleros and Nemo do (not that those rides are great, but their IPs fit).

And that's what the problem is, on the cultural sensitivity front. No matter what they pick as a "basic introduction" would be controversial at this point. As respectful as it may be done, no country/nationality wants to be boiled down to pretty much anything. Just imagine it from an American perspective - how would we feel if Japan had an "American Ride" - do you think we could really come to a satisfying list of show scenes that would "represent" us?
I'd say America is a bad example. Both Hall of Presidents and American Adventure do a decent enough job of it. Far older countries would be much harder, obviously, but it could still be done. Maelstrom attempted to do it for Norway. Impressions de France, O Canada, and Reflections of China don't seem to have brought tons of controversy. Obviously movies are different, but the same principles could be brought to a ride. The trick is to focus on an aspect of a culture instead of the entire culture. Most represented countries could have a ride about their folklore and fairy tales instead of their culture in general.
 

Cesar R M

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The American Adventure is great. Probably the best thing in WS.
I really wish I had paid the "back stage" tour. The videos of the machinery are amazing.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I think you are very confused there buddy. I haven't mentioned radiator springs once so maybe realize who you are addressing and you did assume by ethnicity by saying " I guess your not of Mexican descent" so again figure out who you are talking too.
I dare you to follow the quote lines.. because you quoted the WRONG MESSAGE.
I was answering to IDInstitute. Not you, you shoved your quote to me there.
POST ID: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/ratatouille-in-epcot.884005/page-49#post-7455586 that you incorrectly quoted and thus misaligned the conversation.

As for where you should have answered..
Is this post: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/ratatouille-in-epcot.884005/page-49#post-7455585

you said "If you saw the movie that's not it at all. Donald actually gets taught Hispanic culture tough to do in a 5 minute ride. I think it's a great fit for that pavilion".
Yes I did I seen the movie. Hence why I issued my opinion. The movie itself wasn't about Mexico alone anyway. Its about 3 countries and adventures of these 3 guys. Hardly much to do with the ride itself other than "Donald gets lost in Mexico" portions with some Mexican stuff in the background.(I guess they do not have much new original content exclusive to Mexico). Only good thing I see is.. everything is complemented by the size and variety inside the pavilion. Just wish they could have kept the original recipes of the dishes in the inside restaurant( Noone in Mexico puts yellow corn to chiles rellenos..NOONE). o_O


Also I said "I GUESS" for your assumptions that somehow the ride fits 100% thematically.. Funny that you even later confirmed that you were not Mexican and had to shove information about your family. :rolleyes:
I'm still baffled that you somehow want to belittle my opinion AS A MEXICAN about a ride ABOUT MEXICO. :facepalm:

I know my culture. as I live and grew with it. THANK YOU.


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Just wanted to add also, that the M&G in Mexico's pavilion is not Panchito. Its DONALD with a Sarape and stereotyped oversized Sombrero. See what it means?
Thats like using Ken Watanabe (famous actor from japan) to portrait Lincoln in the American Pavilion to show American culture.
 
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tl77

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Again... leave the Fairy Tales in the Magic Kingdom... Hopefully FEA will just be an anomaly...
While I don't disagree with you, I doubt it will be that case... Magic Kingdom is simply running out of room for Fairy Tales, but they are one of the bigest draws. I think the real anomaly about Frozen is how well it was executed... if they do more timeless storybook stuff hopefully they do it that well
 

Sir_Cliff

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While I don't disagree with you, I doubt it will be that case... Magic Kingdom is simply running out of room for Fairy Tales, but they are one of the bigest draws.
I don't know, I think there is room. Somehow Disneyland seems to squeeze in a lot more into their Fantasyland.
I think the real anomaly about Frozen is how well it was executed... if they do more timeless storybook stuff hopefully they do it that well
That I do agree with. Whatever the appropriateness of its location, I think almost everyone has been surprised at how good the execution was. That, of course, is a double edged sword as once upon a time we would have expected new Disney rides to be top quality, but c'est la vie!
 

tl77

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I don't know, I think there is room. Somehow Disneyland seems to squeeze in a lot more into their Fantasyland.

That I do agree with. Whatever the appropriateness of its location, I think almost everyone has been surprised at how good the execution was. That, of course, is a double edged sword as once upon a time we would have expected new Disney rides to be top quality, but c'est la vie!
Well the Disneyland Park isn't as land locked as Magic Kingdom, which surrounded by swamps and canals, and has the utliador and it's elevation changes to deal with. At MK you only get something new if it replaces something else, were as at Epcot there are huge lots of land that were set aside for "future development" on day one but most of it never was
 

Nickels5

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Well the Disneyland Park isn't as land locked as Magic Kingdom, which surrounded by swamps and canals, and has the utliador and it's elevation changes to deal with. At MK you only get something new if it replaces something else, were as at Epcot there are huge lots of land that were set aside for "future development" on day one but most of it never was
Princess fairytale hall can go very easily and a great new dark ride could go there.
 

Tavernacle12

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I really wish I had paid the "back stage" tour. The videos of the machinery are amazing.
Unfortunately the current backstage tour for WS doesn't go under it (I'm not sure if another one does?). The tour guide I had said they were working with Operations to try and get it onto the tour but weren't sure if it was doable. Tour DOES go behind the France, Mexico, and Norway buildings as well as to the Illuminations set up area.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Well the Disneyland Park isn't as land locked as Magic Kingdom, which surrounded by swamps and canals, and has the utliador and it's elevation changes to deal with. At MK you only get something new if it replaces something else, were as at Epcot there are huge lots of land that were set aside for "future development" on day one but most of it never was
MK has tonnes of expansion room if done correctly. If anything DL is more land locked.
 

Nickels5

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I wish. I would've been happy with SWSA simply staying there as well.
I would of as well, I do understand though why they did it, no point in having two attractions from the same movie so close today. But it is very upsetting to see such a wasted opportunity with all the potentially great dark rides.
 

egg

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I would of as well, I do understand though why they did it, no point in having two attractions from the same movie so close today. But it is very upsetting to see such a wasted opportunity with all the potentially great dark rides.
You must take issue with Avatar Land, Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, and Cars Land. ;)

But I like that you said that, because it's one slight issue I have with so many of these new movie-centric lands. However, as long as the theme and story and vibe of each ride remains unique from the other(s), I won't be too concerned.

The theme and story and vibe of SDMT and SWSA are very different (featuring different characters), and for that reason, I think that both could've coexisted just fine.
 
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Nickels5

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You must take issue with Avatar Land, Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, and Cars Land. ;)

But I like that you said that, because it's one slight issue I have with so many of these new movie-centric lands. However, as long as the theme and story and vibe of each ride remains unique from the other(s), I won't be too concerned.

The theme and story and vibe of SDMT and SWSA are very different (featuring different characters), and for that reason, I think that both could've coexisted just fine.
No I don't because they are lands, fantasyland isn't Snow White land.
 

Cesar R M

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Unfortunately the current backstage tour for WS doesn't go under it (I'm not sure if another one does?). The tour guide I had said they were working with Operations to try and get it onto the tour but weren't sure if it was doable. Tour DOES go behind the France, Mexico, and Norway buildings as well as to the Illuminations set up area.
What a shame, I remember seeing videos of the backend. Truly amazing machinery. I also loved the special about the Illuminations barges and shows. Truly inspiring, specially after watching a new year barrage. ( I cant imagine how insane it was on the millenium)
 
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