Possible Frontierland expansion

[Master Yoda]

"Very young" like toddlers? Or like twenty-somethings?

9 and under, which is a pretty sizeable chunk of MK's demographic.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

9 and under, which is a pretty sizeable chunk of MK's demographic.

I haven't been down since Frozen in Epcot. Is it not helping the bottlenecks in Fantasyland?

 

[Mike S]

9 and under, which is a pretty sizeable chunk of MK's demographic.

So, a second MK. Isn't that what they're doing with Epcot though?

A fifth park would be a total waste when that money could be put instead into the three other parks. If SWL and Avatar could cost $1 Billion each, how much do you think a whole park is going to tie them up? It's just not a smart move.

 

[Master Yoda]

I haven't been down since Frozen in Epcot. Is it not helping the bottlenecks in Fantasyland?

No idea, but I don't think that a single attraction is going to make a huge difference. At best, it might cause a few people to park hop.

Now 20 attractions of the Frozen. POTC, HM, LM ilk, could pull some numbers from MK.

 

[mwils8]

Does anyone know what percentage of the land they own has to be preserved as wetlands? That could be part of the reason (maybe).

1/3 of the land has to be preserved for conservation. They've developed 1/3 of the existing property already. That leaves 1/3 of the land for future development.

 

[Mike S]

No idea, but I don't think that a single attraction is going to make a huge difference. At best, it might cause a few people to park hop.

Now 20 attractions of the Frozen. POTC, HM, LM ilk, could pull some numbers from MK.

Shanghai didn't even open with 20 rides. It opened with 14. Once again, simply adding those rides to existing parks would be the better option.

 

[marni1971]

I shudder to suggest that it might be time for that 5th gate. One designed around the very young crowd.

Shudder.

There again I don't see TWDC aiming a park at a limited demographic.

 

[doctornick]

If the Flying Carpets were removed from Adventureland, is there room to add another, higher capacity attraction in it's place?

There's plenty of space in MK for additional attractions without replacing anything: A large expansion pad in Adventureland, room in TL behind (south of) Laugh Floor/Buzz (current backstage parking) plus 2 large areas outside the berm in TL. There is a sort of expansion pad in Frontierland west of Splash.

There's also a lot of space that isn't designated for expansion but would theoretically be used: a ton of room on the north side of the RoA that could be added to Frontierland or Liberty Sq (or for a new land), land on the other side of Magic Kingdom Drive north of the current Fantasyland, etc.

Point being, if they want to actually expand at MK they could. The issue is that while MK needs increased capacity, it doesn't need more crowds. So the best bet in the short term is to expand the other three parks like crazy. Doing stuff like adding 5-10 attractions to each of them in addition to the announced plans (yeah, I know, would never happen, but that is what they should do). If you do that, you can add some more under the radar stuff to MK simultaneously that won't crush MK with increased crowds because people will already be dispersing to other parks.

 

[Master Yoda]

Shudder.

There again I don't see TWDC aiming a park at a limited demographic.

Neither do I. About the only silver lining is that demo would have is mom and dad would have to come as well.

 

[britain]

When MK is as packed with attractions as DL is, then you can start thinking fif... no, then you can work on packing the other parks with attractions. THEN you can start thinking fifth gate.

 

[Princess Leia]

Shudder.

There again I don't see TWDC aiming a park at a limited demographic.

I think that's why the 'Villains' park rumor (that never seems to go away) probably won't happen. Sure, I wouldn't be opposed to a separate land next to Fantasyland, but Disney would be alienating the under 9 crowd, plus their parents and siblings if they built that park. "Villainsland" (which would need a better name) could have 2 or 3 rides (Bald Mountain + Snow White's Scary Adventure/Ariel's Scary Adventure- which I would want more than Snow White, and maybe something with Jafar), as well as the Halloween show with the Sanderson sisters. They could even stick the Maleficent dragon somewhere (maybe under Bald Mountain?).

Again, I'd rather some updates come to the MK in the meantime, while the other parks get more attractions, but I wouldn't be opposed to a MK land like this.

 

[jt04]

So far theres nothing planned to do that.

What do you suggest?

Perhaps some lands based on themes like Avatar and Star Wars would work.

 

[jt04]

It should've happened multiple times a decade ago. WDW is so underfunded they can't even do enough with what they already are adding. They are trying to play catch up with the second tier parks, mainly due to Universal's gains, but MK is left out. I mean look st Space mountain!

Seriously, you can't be this blind to what they are doing at the other parks.

 

[jt04]

It makes sense, but MK SHOULD at the very least get updates to the current attractions like Space, Pan, Thunder, and IASW. Not to mention a Paris like arcade would be great for Main Street.

Too early. Wait until they finish DAK 2.0, DHS 2.0 and Epcot 2.0.

 

[lazyboy97o]

DHS has to take priority. It seems that with major construction ongoing in 2 of the 4 parks...as well as work being done throughout other parts of the resort..they are spread a bit thin right now...just my opinion.

Being stretched thin has absolutely nothing to do with it. Walt Disney Imagineering is not some tiny group where everyone works on everything. Staffing is project driven, not the other way around. If the issue was manpower then Walt Disney Imagineering would not have just had a nice round of layoffs plus the end of contracts with freelancers and consultants.

 

[Kman101]

It's sad, MK had over 20 million in attendance last year yet there hasn't been an eticket added since 1992!!!

It is, but because people still show up in droves, it gives them the excuse they need to NOT invest. They know they can get away with it and they do.

 

[Kman101]

Right. They need to build a bunch of unremarkable, but high capacity attraction that people will do while in the park but aren't "wow" enough to cause people to make a special trip or add days for MK. They already built one such thing with Little Mermaid

And they did double the capacity for Dumbo, but it's a drop in the bucket.

Magic Kingdom needs far more than Mermaid, Mine Train and Dueling Dumbos. Unfortunately they've wasted so much time that they're always going to be behind. And so are the other parks. And their lack of rushing things leaves us still years out for many things.

 

[Dr.GrantSeeker]

I think the main issue is that they won't spend the money.

You couldn't have said it any better!

 

[mitchk]

I'm sorry I just jumped back in on this thread.... how much do we know at this point? Is it still gonna be an expansion off to the back right of Big Thunder, is it still just gonna be a S***e?

 

[marni1971]

Perhaps some lands based on themes like Avatar and Star Wars would work.

They're well known. Avland in particular will not have the capacity to do that.

Plus you'll of course be aware of the concerns (still) about SWL capacity, in particular the Falcon ride.

What else?