Possible Frontierland expansion

MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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So to sum up the information we have so far from this thread and others (with the sources)-

- "Major" Frontierland expansion close to being greenlit, though not yet (whylightbulb)
- Includes one "E ticket" (whylightbulb)
- The Riverboat probably won't be docked and should continue to be run (marni1971)
- Tom Sawyer's Island stays in some form, changes in size/shape/theme are unknown (marni1971)
- Country Bear Jamboree safe for now, seasonal overlays could possibly return (whylightbulb/marni1971)
- Separate budget from the main $3.5 billion shared between DHS, MK and EPCOT (marni1971)
- "Highly unlikely" to be the old Geyser Mountain concept (Lee)
- Will not include a raft ride (marni1971)
- Not Western River Expedition or a variant of it (whylightbulb)
- One area of "interest" is around Tom Sawyer's Island and Rivers of America (marni1971)
- Another area is west of Big Thunder and north of Splash Mountain, outside the train track (marni1971)

As for opinions, WDW1974 says he's unimpressed and disappointed by what he's managed to piece together, one assumes he knows something we don't at the moment. He didn't elaborate on what upset him about it however. Articos on the other hand said "you can be at least little excited", though that post was over a month ago and the project may have been altered and downgraded since then...
 
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articos

articos

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MerlinTheGoat said:
So to sum up the information we have so far from this thread and others (with the sources)-

- "Major" Frontierland expansion close to being greenlit, though not yet (whylightbulb)
- Includes one "E ticket" (whylightbulb)
- The Riverboat probably won't be docked and should continue to be run (marni1971)
- Tom Sawyer's Island stays in some form, changes in size/shape/theme are unknown (marni1971)
- Country Bear Jamboree safe for now, seasonal overlays could possibly return (whylightbulb/marni1971)
- Separate budget from the main $3.5 billion shared between DHS, MK and EPCOT (marni1971)
- "Highly unlikely" to be the old Geyser Mountain concept (Lee)
- Will not include a raft ride (marni1971)
- Not Western River Expedition or a variant of it (whylightbulb)
- One area of "interest" is around Tom Sawyer's Island and Rivers of America (marni1971)
- Another area is west of Big Thunder and north of Splash Mountain, outside the train track (marni1971)

As for opinions, WDW1974 says he's unimpressed and disappointed by what he's managed to piece together, one assumes he knows something we don't at the moment. He didn't elaborate on what upset him about it however. Articos on the other hand said "you can be at least little excited", though that post was over a month ago and the project may have been altered and downgraded since then...
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I still say you can be a little excited. Still have a while to wait. As of now, nothing's been downgraded or canceled, but also nothing's been greenlit.
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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tjjwelch said:
As creative as you're getting, I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of the options proposed are truly feasible. The parade leaves Frontierland, goes down MSUSA, steps off, and travels backstage to end up right where it started. If the parade building is anywhere else, there is no feasible path where the parade route could make a full circle like that. And any parade that has more than a couple of floats would not be able to turn around at either of the circles (at the Hub or main entrance) without crashing into itself. Absolute best case scenario would be to keep the parade route the same and just move the parade building as far straight down south as it can go, then use the old location for the expansion.
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You are FAR from being the one who is out on a limb.

To remind everyone, the area behind Small World is a Fireworks Fallout area, and NOT earmarked for expansion.

EDIT: Expansion, or development of any kind, onstage or off.
 
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Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
You are FAR from being the one who is out on a limb.

To remind everyone, the area behind Small World is a Fireworks Fallout area, and NOT earmarked for expansion.

EDIT: Expansion, or development of any kind, onstage or off.
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I could be completely wrong about all of this, but I think the only thing that's prohibited in the fireworks fallout area is having guests outside in the area while the fireworks are going on. They could use that area for a show building. I think some of New Fantasyland is in the fireworks fallout area, but only the buildings.
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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Cosmic Commando said:
I could be completely wrong about all of this, but I think the only thing that's prohibited in the fireworks fallout area is having guests outside in the area while the fireworks are going on. They could use that area for a show building. I think some of New Fantasyland is in the fireworks fallout area, but only the buildings.
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Yes, they could, but they're not going to. They do not want to. That's why I keep trying to shut this thought down.
 
Capsin4

Capsin4

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MerlinTheGoat said:
As for opinions, WDW1974 says he's unimpressed and disappointed by what he's managed to piece together, one assumes he knows something we don't at the moment. He didn't elaborate on what upset him about it however. Articos on the other hand said "you can be at least little excited", though that post was over a month ago and the project may have been altered and downgraded since then...
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Keep in mind WDW1974 doesn't visit MK because there's nothing worth seeing there in it's current state. That's a near quote so it's safe to say his opinion is probably a bit more "refined" that most.
 
jt04

jt04

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tjjwelch said:
As creative as you're getting, I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of the options proposed are truly feasible. The parade leaves Frontierland, goes down MSUSA, steps off, and travels backstage to end up right where it started. If the parade building is anywhere else, there is no feasible path where the parade route could make a full circle like that. And any parade that has more than a couple of floats would not be able to turn around at either of the circles (at the Hub or main entrance) without crashing into itself. Absolute best case scenario would be to keep the parade route the same and just move the parade building as far straight down south as it can go, then use the old location for the expansion.
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You are still missing what I am saying. The parade would run from the fle to msusa and go into a new storage/turnaround somwhere behind city hall. Then the next time it would run from msusa to the fle and be stored behind batb. Alternating direction each time. The new buildings would need to be able to handle the floats from the daytime parade and evening version. Or each end would need a building and covered staging area. This scenario would allow frontierland to be reworked and expanded. Same for Liberty Square.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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Cosmic Commando said:
I could be completely wrong about all of this, but I think the only thing that's prohibited in the fireworks fallout area is having guests outside in the area while the fireworks are going on. They could use that area for a show building. I think some of New Fantasyland is in the fireworks fallout area, but only the buildings.
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The regulations and politics for fallout areas are already complicated.

Building here would only compound the problem. Assuming they were building here. Which they aren't.

Same for the parade route not being rerouted. Take note @jt04 . Or take it to armchair imagineering.
 
jt04

jt04

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danlb_2000 said:
Not to mention that fact that they were permits last year to build more parking and a new retention pond back there.
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A certain insider once posted a crude map showing how the entrance at the back of the mk could be rerouted so I know it has been considered. Such a move would allow for support facilities crowding frontierland to be relocated and allow for expansion of said land.

Surely if they can build parking lots containing vehicles near a fireworks fallout zone than placing buildings with fireproof roofs should be much easier to get permitted.

Never say never.

Not armchair imagineering, just trying to figure out (like everyone else) how they will add to Frontierland through deductive reasoning.
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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jt04 said:
A certain insider once posted a crude map showing how the entrance at the back of the mk could be rerouted so I know it has been considered. Such a move would allow for support facilities crowding frontierland to be relocated and allow for expansion of said land.

Surely if they can build parking lots containing vehicles near a fireworks fallout zone than placing buildings with fireproof roofs should be much easier to get permitted.

Never say never.

Not armchair imagineering, just trying to figure out (like everyone else) how they will add to Frontierland through deductive reasoning.
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Actually, you can say never. As of right now, they plan on not developing the area, and certainly not for anything related to Frontierland. If that changes, then the answer at that time will no longer be never. In the meantime, it is.

This has nothing to do with Frontierland, and no sort of deductive reasoning suggests they will build anywhere near where you're describing. You're not fooling anyone. We should all -- especially you -- stop talking about it.
 

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