Possible Frontierland expansion

[articos]

1. Putting a new attraction in the established expansion pad behind BTMRR (more likely)
2. Putting bridges over the the upper island of TSI, cutting off the connection between the islands and having the riverboat just circle the lower island. New attraction goes on the upper island.

The problem with #1 is that is pretty much cuts off using any of the land around the northern part of RoA in the future without massive changes. This leaves the dead end in Frontierland which kinda sucks during parades.

Why does it cut off using any land around the north of RoA?

 

[jt04]

Where would it enter, then exit the park?

The only alternative is likely behind iasw or the fle proceeding to the regular msusa location. And back again.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Something I noticed, though not necessarily of note -- If they do in fact expand Frontierland in the direction of the Splash Mountain restrooms, it will be the first significant development of land outside the train tracks in this Magic Kingdom.

Multiple MK attractions have Show Buildings outside the tracks, with Space Mountain is outside entirely, but no meaningful guest areas in the way that Disneyland's Toontown or Hong Kong's Mystic Point exist outside the train. They've never really crossed that line before at this park.

 

[Matt_Black]

Something I noticed, though not necessarily of note -- If they do in fact expand Frontierland in the direction of the Splash Mountain restrooms, it will be the first significant development of land outside the train tracks in this Magic Kingdom.

Multiple MK attractions have Show Buildings outside the tracks, with Space Mountain is outside entirely, but no meaningful guest areas in the way that Disneyland's Toontown or Hong Kong's Mystic Point exist outside the train. They've never really crossed that line before at this park.

Because that's where THE OTHERS dwell.

 

[Rob562]

If you look at the overall layout, this doesn't seem practical at all. The maintenance shed for BTMRR is right there as the trains go under the real train track to the shed. Leaving that in place and assuming the could make a path over or under (unlikely), then the remaining pad is fairly small.

I mentioned earlier in this thread a possibility to handle the maintenance shed.

The BTMRR trains actually cross *over* the Railroad's tracks using a bridge that swings out over them. There is then a hill down to the maintenance she'd level. If they built a new shed as part of the expansion and built it into the second floor of a building, then they would keep the tracks at the same level and guests would walk under them into the new area.

They could even get creative and combine the maintenance shed for BTMRR with the maintenance area for whatever the new attraction is, have it all in one place. (like how the Monorail and steam trains use the same building.

-Rob

 

[TheScreed]

But most people who follow his posts here will agree that his opinions are extremely valuable and accurate to reality (and his track record for upcoming news is almost always spot on), even if it's just him sharing his feelings about something.

Is there any evidence of this? The only "evidence" I can find is people making statements like this, without a single example to prove the point.

 

[JoeRohdesEarring]

Because that's where THE OTHERS dwell.

We must never speak of them.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Is there any evidence of this? The only "evidence" I can find is people making statements like this, without a single example to prove the point.

Hard to sum up literally years worth of info. 74 is generally the person that breaks the most important Disney news on this site. There are many examples, but it's hard to keep track. Here are some major examples of the things he reported long before they occurred-

- George Kalogridis becoming WDW president
- Shanghai's attraction roster (he posted an accurate list years back, which was spot on)
- He (I believe) was the first source for the current DHS overhaul plans, confirming the budget was huge
- The Diagon Alley project would have a train connecting the two parks (no one believed him at first), in fact he was one of the original sources for the Diagon Alley project in the first place
- Kidzone at Universal would be getting replaced by a new major franchise (it was later confirmed that Nintendo Land was coming and apparently to this area)
- Shanghai Disneyland being FAR behind schedule and wouldn't be finished on time
- Accurately stating that Avatar Land wouldn't be finished until 2017 and would be a slow haul due to internal turmoil (this was years ago shortly after the project was announced in the first place), he and others also accurately predicted that the main attraction would be a Soarin-like simulator (before blueprints leaked)

He has also apparently been part of other Disney communities before I was a part of the online Disney fan community. Unfortunately the other forums he was a part of are considerably less tolerant towards people who don't adhere to WDW always being 100% perfect and magical, so his info made him some "enemies" online (who generally flame him on twitter). This site isn't devoid of people who senselessly attack him either, but there are a lot of more open minded people here who see past the pixie dust.

 

[NearTheEars]

Hard to sum up literally years worth of info. 74 is generally the person that breaks the most important Disney news on this site. There are many examples, but it's hard to keep track. Here are some major examples of the things he reported long before they occurred-

- George Kalogridis becoming WDW president
- Shanghai's attraction roster (he posted an accurate list years back, which was spot on)
- He (I believe) was the first source for the current DHS overhaul plans, confirming the budget was huge
- The Diagon Alley project would have a train connecting the two parks (no one believed him at first), in fact he was one of the original sources for the Diagon Alley project in the first place
- Kidzone at Universal would be getting replaced by a new major franchise (it was later confirmed that Nintendo Land was coming and apparently to this area)
- Shanghai Disneyland being FAR behind schedule and wouldn't be finished on time
- Accurately stating that Avatar Land wouldn't be finished until 2017 and would be a slow haul due to internal turmoil (this was years ago shortly after the project was announced in the first place), he and others also accurately predicted that the main attraction would be a Soarin-like simulator (before blueprints leaked)

He has also apparently been part of other Disney communities before I was a part of the online Disney fan community. Unfortunately the other forums he was a part of are considerably less tolerant towards people who don't adhere to WDW always being 100% perfect and magical, so his info made him some "enemies" online (who generally flame him on twitter). This site isn't devoid of people who senselessly attack him either, but there are a lot of more open minded people here who see past the pixie dust.

I think the poster was questioning why we should take his personal opinion of an attraction/land as more legitimate than others. But I could be wrong.

But there is no question that @WDW1974 has consistently broken countless WDW and DLR stories. And you summed that up pretty well.

 

[Captain Neo]

If they do a raft ride it better have AAs rich theming and actual show scenes and be a good length. Hopefully it also adds some new scene(s) to the railroad as well

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

The only alternative is likely behind iasw or the fle proceeding to the regular msusa location. And back again.

That would cause that part of the park to be shut down for extended amount of time (nearly 60min-90mins) and the turning point on MSUSA would cause a lot of problems due to the length of the parade. Also having it enter by IASW would cause FLE to become even more congested.

 

[marni1971]

If they do a raft ride

They aren't.

 

[Red Sox]

I hope Hoot Gibson gets a shout out in this expansion
http://i.imgur.com/qkwns.jpg

 

[SirLink]

They aren't.

Curioser and curioser, wonder what is making Spirit flip out about... clues @marni1971

 

[Unplugged]

I mentioned earlier in this thread a possibility to handle the maintenance shed.

The BTMRR trains actually cross *over* the Railroad's tracks using a bridge that swings out over them. There is then a hill down to the maintenance she'd level. If they built a new shed as part of the expansion and built it into the second floor of a building, then they would keep the tracks at the same level and guests would walk under them into the new area.

They could even get creative and combine the maintenance shed for BTMRR with the maintenance area for whatever the new attraction is, have it all in one place. (like how the Monorail and steam trains use the same building.

-Rob

Missed that somehow. Sorry buddy. Great potential solution! Thx for clarifying!

 

[jt04]

That would cause that part of the park to be shut down for extended amount of time (nearly 60min-90mins) and the turning point on MSUSA would cause a lot of problems due to the length of the parade. Also having it enter by IASW would cause FLE to become even more congested.

The Frontierland/Liberty Square is a worse bottleneck. They do not have to shut it down and they already run the parades through msusa so that part would remain the same. The parade storage building could be behind iasw or batb. The parade could emerge from the circus area. This would create a longer parade route potentially, thereby spreading out the crowds. win win

 

[TheScreed]

I think the poster was questioning why we should take his personal opinion of an attraction/land as more legitimate than others. But I could be wrong.

But there is no question that @WDW1974 has consistently broken countless WDW and DLR stories. And you summed that up pretty well.

Actually, I was thinking both but the question about his opinion is really not worth discussing -- if he clearly states that he is giving opinions instead of facts, he is completely entitled to do so no matter how much or little insider info he has. And others are free to make whatever they will of his opinions.

I was wondering about rumors that panned out rather than the ones that never did, and that was indeed a good summary. People can look at that and decide how much stock they want to put in his factual predictions.

 

[Kman101]

So glad it won't be a raft ride!

Of course I could regret that and we get Woody's Roundup.

 

[YodaMan]

The Frontierland/Liberty Square is a worse bottleneck. They do not have to shut it down and they already run the parades through msusa so that part would remain the same. The parade storage building could be behind iasw or batb. The parade could emerge from the circus area. This would create a longer parade route potentially, thereby spreading out the crowds. win win

As creative as you're getting, I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of the options proposed are truly feasible. The parade leaves Frontierland, goes down MSUSA, steps off, and travels backstage to end up right where it started. If the parade building is anywhere else, there is no feasible path where the parade route could make a full circle like that. And any parade that has more than a couple of floats would not be able to turn around at either of the circles (at the Hub or main entrance) without crashing into itself. Absolute best case scenario would be to keep the parade route the same and just move the parade building as far straight down south as it can go, then use the old location for the expansion.

 

[aladdin2007]

So glad it won't be a raft ride!

Of course I could regret that and we get Woody's Roundup.

what if its just a toy story playland,,,,I know its been said something on that order will go to DHS but.....that would certainly be underwhelming and match with spirits opinion.