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[Disney Irish]

I’d love to see a suspended omnimover utilized for whatever their next dark ride might be IP wise. Would have great capacity and could feel like floating a la Peter Pan

I believe the issues with suspended ride system has been capacity. Not sure how that would work with a suspended omimover, or that is even possible in a traditional sense. But it would be interesting to see if they could make it work with good capacity.

 

[mickEblu]

I believe the issues with suspended ride system has been capacity. Not sure how that would work with a suspended omimover, or that is even possible in a traditional sense. But it would be interesting to see if they could make it work with good capacity.

I think capacity is obviously very important and should always be considered and prioritized most of the time but I think every once in awhile for the health and variety of the attraction roster they should do something different even if it doesn’t have the highest capacity. Now, for an E ticket that’s probably not a wise idea. But for something like a C ticket or D ticket I don’t see why not. They just did the Pan D ticket in Shanghai in 2016 so it’s not too long ago. If they have a ride system that’s best used to tell a story then they should Do it every once in a while. For example I think riding on a suspended alebrije would have been the best way to tell the Coco story. If they can get the same capacity as Pan in Shanghai I don’t see why not. Lines will self regulate based on the type of experience the ride provides. Now if the Coco boat ride is a bonafife E ticket with great capacity than I can definitely see the upside going that route. But if it just ends up being a D ticket boat ride with slightly higher capacity than a suspended ride then I’d say taking the hit in capacity would have been worth it.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think capacity is obviously very important and should always be considered and prioritized most of the time but I think every once in awhile for the health and variety of the attraction roster they should do something different even if it doesn’t have the highest capacity. Now, for an E ticket scale that’s probably not a wise idea. But for something like a C ticket or D ticket I don’t see why not. They just did the Pan D ticket in Shanghai in 2016 so it’s not too long ago. If they have a ride system that’s best used to tell a story then they should Do it every once in a while. For example I think riding on a suspended alebrije would have been the best way to tell the Coco story. If they can get the same capacity as Pan in Shanghai I don’t see why not. Lines will self regulate based on the type of experience they provide. Now if the Coco boat ride is a bonafife E ticket with great capacity than I can definitely see the upside going that route. But if it just ends up being a D ticket boat ride with slightly higher capacity than a suspended ride than I’d say taking the hit in capacity would be worth it.

I think there is a place for suspended rides, I just don't think its going to be their first choice for a new IP that never had an attraction before, like Coco. Which will lead them to trying to get the most bang for their buck, including the most capacity they can get, for the story they want to tell.

Also my issue with suspended rides is they tend to be very short. So for a Coco attraction I'd rather have something longer than an average of 90-120 seconds. Peter in SDL I believe is a bit longer at 4 minutes, but even that is too short to me. So I don't think you're going to get a 6-10 minute ride on a suspended ride like you can a boat ride.

 

[MistaDee]

I think capacity is obviously very important and should always be considered and prioritized most of the time but I think every once in awhile for the health and variety of the attraction roster they should do something different even if it doesn’t have the highest capacity. Now, for an E ticket that’s probably not a wise idea. But for something like a C ticket or D ticket I don’t see why not. They just did the Pan D ticket in Shanghai in 2016 so it’s not too long ago. If they have a ride system that’s best used to tell a story then they should Do it every once in a while. For example I think riding on a suspended alebrije would have been the best way to tell the Coco story. If they can get the same capacity as Pan in Shanghai I don’t see why not. Lines will self regulate based on the type of experience they provide. Now if the Coco boat ride is a bonafife E ticket with great capacity than I can definitely see the upside going that route. But if it just ends up being a D ticket boat ride with slightly higher capacity than a suspended ride then I’d say taking the hit in capacity would have been worth it.

Imagine an alebrije picking up our boat into a suspended section

I think Zelda at islands of adventure was rumored to have some kind of hybrid

 

[mickEblu]

I think there is a place for suspended rides, I just don't think its going to be their first choice for a new IP that never had an attraction before, like Coco. Which will lead them to trying to get the most bang for their buck, including the most capacity they can get, for the story they want to tell.

Also my issue with suspended rides is they tend to be very short. So for a Coco attraction I'd rather have something longer than an average of 90-120 seconds. Peter in SDL I believe is a bit longer at 4 minutes, but even that is too short to me. So I don't think you're going to get a 6-10 minute ride on a suspended ride like you can a boat ride.

Yeah that’s a good point on ride time. Another factor to consider. Ultimately I prefer whatever is more fun. Without knowing anything else, I’d take a 5 minute boat ride with a drop over a 4 minute suspended ride. Without the drop it would be more of a toss up.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah that’s a good point on ride time. Another factor to consider. Ultimately I prefer whatever is more fun. Without knowing anything else, I’d take a 5 minute boat ride with a drop over a 4 minute suspended ride. Without the drop it would be more of a toss up.

I think there is something to a "lazy river" feel type boat ride experience where you feel like you're coasting along the path. I've said it before in other threads, but I don't need "thrills" in every attraction I ride. So in my opinion even if there is no drop I still think it would be superior to a suspended ride that is over quickly. That is not to say I would be opposed to a drop, even a small one, but I don't need it.

 

[mickEblu]

I think there is something to a "lazy river" feel type boat ride experience where you feel like you're coasting along the path. I've said it before in other threads, but I don't need "thrills" in every attraction I ride. So in my opinion even if there is no drop I still think it would be superior to a suspended ride that is over quickly. That is not to say I would be opposed to a drop, even a small one, but I don't need it.

I think it needs it in the sense that most people are are expecting or want at least one drop. Give the people what they want.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think it needs it in the sense that most people are are expecting or want at least one drop. Give the people what they want.

That is basically saying that anyone that sees a boat ride attraction is expecting a drop, I don't know if that is the case or not. So does that mean the people that didn't know Small World doesn't have a drop are disappointed after they get off because there is no drop?

So yeah I'm not so sure that "most people" are expecting or wanting it on a Coco boat ride. We can leave it that "you" want a drop.

 

[mickEblu]

That is basically saying that anyone that sees a boat ride attraction is expecting a drop, I don't know if that is the case or not. So does that mean they people that didn't know Small World doesn't have a drop are disappointed after they get off because there is no drop?

So yeah I'm not so sure that "most people" are expecting or wanting it on a Coco boat ride. We can leave it that "you" want a drop.

So me. Just me? Not the majority. Should we put a poll up?

No not what it means at all. If Disney came out and explained what the Tangled boat ride was about I don’t think anyone would expect a drop. Coco is not Tangled nor is it Small World. The Coco IP invokes a sense of darkness and adventure. Lol please stop. Why do I do this to myself?

 

[Disney Irish]

So me. Just me? Not the majority. Should we put a poll up?

Even if you put up a poll and got the normal number of respondents from this site all saying they want a drop, I wouldn't call that a majority of guests that see a boat ride. This site is not representative of the normal GP that goes to the Disney Parks. Now if you said that a majority of people on this site expect a drop, then I would agree with you.

No not what it means at all. If Disney came out and explained what the Tangled boat ride was about I don’t think anyone would expect a drop. Coco is not Tangled nor is it Small World. The Coco IP invokes a sense of darkness and adventure. Lol please stop. Why do I do this to myself?

Yes Coco the movie evokes a sense of darkness and adventure, Coco the boat ride, we don't know yet.

This image to me doesn't automatically scream "I'm going to be going down some drops" so you better expect them -

Maybe it'll have drops maybe it won't. But I don't automatically see drops on this, it seems more like Gran Fiesta Tour to me which has no drops, just my opinion. I already know you expect drops, and so do at least a few others here. Hopefully you get your expectations met.

 

[mickEblu]

Even if you put up a poll and got the normal number of respondents from this site all saying they want a drop, I wouldn't call that a majority of guests that see a boat ride. This site is not representative of the normal GP that goes to the Disney Parks. Now if you said that a majority of people on this site expect a drop, then I would agree with you.


Yes Coco the movie evokes a sense of darkness and adventure, Coco the boat ride, we don't know yet.

This image to me doesn't automatically scream "I'm going to be going down some drops" so you better expect them -

Maybe it'll have drops maybe it won't. But I don't automatically see drops on this, it seems more like Gran Fiesta Tour to me which has no drops, just my opinion. I already know you expect drops, and so do at least a few others here. Hopefully you get your expectations met.

Ok how about if I go stand in front of Ralphs super market and ask people? They might ask what the hell a Coco dark ride is though. Where is the perfect audience? In front of the park gates?

The IP evokes those things so people will expect those things on the ride.

No, it doesn't scream that but it's just one scene. They're not going to tip their hand yet. Especially a surprise or climatic moment. I don't automatically think there will be drops either because Disney has been seemingly going out of their way to not meet peoples expectations. I think there should be a drop but I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't one.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok how about if I go stand in front of Ralphs super market and ask people? They might ask what the hell a Coco dark ride is though. Where is the perfect audience? In front of the park gates?

If you go in front of the Parks and ask 1000 guests -

"Do you expect a boat ride at a Disney Park to have a drop?"

I think you're going to get a wide array of answers. I don't know if you'll get a majority saying yes.

And if you say -

"Given Coco is going to be the theme of this next boat ride at a Disney Park, do you expect it to have a drop?"

Again I don't know if you'll get a majority that say yes.

The IP evokes those things so people will expect those things on the ride.

I agree, I just don't know if a drop is one of those things. You seem certain, I'm just saying I don't know.

No, it doesn't scream that but it's just one scene. They're not going to tip their hand yet. Especially a surprise or climatic moment. I don't automatically think there will be drops either because Disney has been seemingly going out of their way to not meet peoples expectations. I think there should be a drop but I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't one.

I personally think it'll be more a "lazy river" type vibe myself, similar to Gran Fiesta Tour. Which is why I don't expect drops. If it has one or more I'll be pleasantly surprised.

As I've said many times before, I don't put much expectations on future experiences because I don't want to be disappointed by something that I built up in my head.

 

[mickEblu]

As I've said many times before, I don't much expectations on future experiences because I don't want to be disappointed by something that I built up in my head.

These days that is a very wise idea.

If you put a gun to my head right now Id say 60-40 yes there will be at least one drop. Just the nature of the IP and comparison to POTC has me thinking the odds are slightly in favor of their being one. Might not be huge but something.

 

[Disney Irish]

These days that is a very wise idea.

This isn't new for me. But it is something that I've mentioned that too many in the fandom do, they build up this expectation and then get disappointed when it doesn't met what they built in their head.

But its the reason why I never get affected really by any announcement.

If you put a gun to my head right now Id say 60-40 yes there will be at least one drop. Just the nature of the IP and comparison to POTC has me thinking the odds are slightly in favor of their being one.

Well I hope you get your expectations met. But they also compared it to HM too, which has no drops, so there is that too.

To me that POTC comparison more indicates feeling rather than experience, the feeling of a dark boat ride, so not necessarily meaning drops.

But I guess we'll see, as I said I hope you get your expectations met, and I do mean that.

 

[mickEblu]

Well I hope you get your expectations met. But they also compared it to HM too, which has no drops, so there is that too.

To me that POTC comparison more indicates feeling rather than experience, the feeling of a dark boat ride, so not necessarily meaning drops.

But I guess we'll see, as I said I hope you get your expectations met, and I do mean that.

Thank you.

Yeah I agree here but with my Vegas oddsmaker hat on I kind of have to factor that into the odds of there being a drop.

Thank you.

 

[Disney Irish]

Thank you.

Yeah I agree here but with my Vegas oddsmaker hat on I kind of have to factor that into the odds of there being a drop.

Thank you.

Well you may want to take that oddmaker hat and try to place real bets on the 2024 NFL season that starts tomorrow....

 

[mickEblu]

Well you may want to take that oddmaker hat and try to place real bets on the 2024 NFL season that starts tomorrow....

Hahah I don’t know enough about football but had some legendary runs on NBA games. I went months once hitting like 90% on two team parlays.

 

[Parteecia]

I don't see how a drop goes with Coco. How would it function in the story, even as a transition? We don't drop down into the Land of the Dead like we do in Pirates.

Suspended alebrijes make a lot more sense. I'm thinking of the segment in Philharmagic.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't see how a drop goes with Coco. How would it function in the story, even as a transition? We don't drop down into the Land of the Dead like we do in Pirates.

I agree, which is why it never made sense to me but didn't want to belabor the point. And slowly floating along a river is something that is very much in the normal depictions of the land of the dead in many cultures.

Suspended alebrijes make a lot more sense. I'm thinking of the segment in Philharmagic.

In this context it does make sense. I just personally wouldn't want a suspended ride because as I mentioned they are traditionally really short and I'd rather have a longer ride.

 

[Professortango1]

I agree, which is why it never made sense to me but didn't want to belabor the point. And slowly floating along a river is something that is very much in the normal depictions of the land of the dead in many cultures.


In this context it does make sense. I just personally wouldn't want a suspended ride because as I mentioned they are traditionally really short and I'd rather have a longer ride.

I've seen you express that suspended rides are short, but I don't understand the correlation of that. Sure, I know Peter Pan is shorter, but that's because of the small footprint it takes up, not because the ride system can't handle a longer track layout. Is there a reason why Disney couldn't create a version of pirates with a suspended ride system and be the same length?

I mean, I don't think it works thematically, but I'm speaking about just creating a long suspended ride. I don't believe the ride system is limiting to the length of the ride. I think suspended rides have been plagued more by ideas of capacity than length as having a 12-person ride suspended takes more infrastructure than a 12-person ride on the ground.