DisneyJayL
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Agreed. I just don’t understand it myself. I guess it is what it is, but it’s always been that way. Watch out though, some truly believe the sky is falling.
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Over hyped Star Wars Galaxy's Edge
- Thread starter Damon7777
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See. There's the problem. You won't let real actual data inform you. Instead, you let your dislike for the movie allow you to buy into fake news of fellow haters. There can be no real discussion with you if you dismiss data and just go with "but a bunch of us hated it."
Again, you're misusing data to make your point. TLJ had a slow start its second weekend that is true. And at the time, the haters were dancing jigs of joy that they were being vindicated by the box office. They ignored what almost every cinema watcher was saying about the way Christmas fell that weekend and how that affected the long haul. But then TLJ made $1.3 billion. That's a drop off from it's lead in that is somewhere between the drop off of Ep5 from Ep4 and Ep2 from Ep1.
Well, that's two of the talking points of the haters, time to trot out how TLJ did in China to complete the hat trick...
Actually I kind of think Potter land is probably more popular at this time. Star Wars was hugely popular a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, but Lucas seemed to milk that franchise into the dirt followed by Disney's attempt to revitalize it which thus far hasn't really done that much. I think I read somewhere that the merchandising for Star Wars was declining which would indicate that the franchise may be in trouble. And doesn't Universal's Potter land have more than just two rides? I thought you had 3 new rides and 2 re-themed rides for Potterland? Not just 2 rides that Star Wars Land will have.
Make_EPCOT_Great_Again
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All the Prequels have a CinemaScore of A- so how do we explain the near universal hatred of those movies? Would anyone argue that the Prequels are still considered A- in the view of the general public? Are the A- ratings still valid and the majority of people are just lying now if you ask them their opinion on the PT? Seems like things like the CinemaScore rating is not a real barometer of how a movie eventually truly received outside of that initial weekend.
The percentage of the drop off is indeed similar but when domestic gross is adjusted for inflation TLJ is only ahead of AOTC and ROTS and not close to the other 5 Star Wars episodes. What I take from that (and I maybe wrong) is TLJ suffered from weak repeat viewings like the Prequels because despite critics or polls done the opening weekend as more people saw TLJ less people were interested in seeing it again. Which could imply that it’s not really as well received as some believe. TLJ was selling basically the same amount of tickets per day as Rogue One was at the 3 week mark. There’s no way that’s what the initial projections were especially since TLJ was the real return of Luke Skywalker (not just a cameo at the end like TFA).
The Chinese box office results don’t matter since Star Wars isn’t a “thing” there like it is in a lot of other places therefore shouldn’t be held against TLJ.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care about box office numbers. TESB could’ve made $5 total and I would still say it’s my favorite movie. I care about quality movies and I don’t think that TLJ is one for a number of reasons.
ppete1975
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don't forget lucas "the original creator" made the prequels. Which I don't mind, I like the prequels and 7 and 8 (after having to rewatch it), I am a kid that was the right age to get the toys when they first came out and have grown up a star wars fan.
You have to realize there will never be another original series. The casting they lucked into, there is a 70's campiness to it, it was like nothing we had ever seen, and we grew up with the toys.
It doesn't matter who makes the movies now, doesn't matter who they cast it will never measure up to the original stories. We have seen it all now and we are so much more cynical than when these were made.
Heck lucas couldn't even match them with the prequels.
Once you realize all of that you can appreciate star wars for what it is, a huge galaxy that we can enjoy that there are a million stories we don't know, the jedi, the sith, the bounty hunters, the small characters and planets we have never seen. That's why we will have tv shows, cartoons, books, movies and theme park rides to new planets with new characters, well after we are all dead.
BoarderPhreak
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Wow, someone's negative. While I agree that there's insane hype about this addition... If it's anything like Pandora, or even "New Fantasyland" I'll be pretty happy. In fact, I'd be happy with anything worthwhile coming to DHS, because quite honestly... It's been a complete wreck for years now. I might actually go back again once the new lands are done.
Yup because Yoda / old Ben were never seen again after their death ...
ppete1975
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he will be back, just as a more bluish tint. I think JJ will make a great story, I think rian fd things up a lot because he wanted to be daring. The audience expects this.. so I'm going to do this... they expect this so ill kill him off for no reason... the audience is invested in... ill not even have them in the movie... it felt like he tried so hard to be different and make you not be able to tell where the story was going next that he over thought it. Its star wars not a new movie... stay in the story give the fans what they want and 8 would have been so much better... it felt like a non star wars fan who wanted to put his own stamp on a movie and shock people. I think JJ has a lot of work to fix what was broke but I have faith he will make 8 better because of how its tied into 9.
So you think posters are devoid of basic forecasting, extrapolating, vision or any other ordinary human skill???
21stamps
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I’ve said the following in another thread, but I’ll give my hypothesis again.
I think merchandise has declined because people bought SO MUCH when TFA came out.. now they’re just adding a few characters and ships.
Doesn’t have anything to do with popularity.
That’s my anecdotal experience with a just-turned 8 year old boy and all of his friends/classmates/cousins.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
I hope someday you get something that excites you out of these park additions. I feel bad for you that you're ultimately disappointed that Disney is building a Disney SW park. It could never be any other way. As a super fan, I hope you find some joy in this, regardless if you end up loving or hating the whole thing.
I personally don't care about Star Wars, so I'm sure I'll be wowed by even the restrooms, LOL
21stamps
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Do you have all of the data to show a comparison? I’d be extremely interested to read it.
I can’t imagine that in 1977 the merchandise frenzy was anywhere near what it was in 2015/2016. My kid had a Kylo Ren costume and lightsaber and bedding before the movie even came out.. oh, and a hologram painting of Phasma and her stormtroopers.
That frenzy lasted from pre-release thru Christmas- thru birthdays, etc etc.
Was it really that same level of intensity for the same amount of time before/after the first one? Was the same amount of merchandise even available?
21stamps
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I don’t know that is was down 40% at the box office, maybe it was.. still doesn’t change my opinion of the merchandise. I’d also expect the box office to be down from TFA.. I think just about everyone, Star Wars fan or not, went to see TFA just because of the hype and original characters.. the fans continued to go to the movies.. the “everyone” else didn’t find it necessary. I think that’s normal, and that Disney expected it.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
Harry Potter, I love.... but Star Trek and Star Wars... meh. Stargate though, I could get behind. The movie, not the TV series.
21stamps
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I have never read a Harry Potter book, and have never seen all of the movies. Watched the first movie for the first time last year.
21stamps
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I don’t know, because I didn’t read it. That’s not saying that it’s not true.. which is why I just went it with it. I don’t have a need to dispute it, because it has nothing to do with my point.
If you read more than that first sentence, then you will see that I said a little more than “I don’t know”. I don’t think I wrote in invisible ink
