Over hyped Star Wars Galaxy's Edge

[TwilightZone]

For those thinking that Disney have single handedly ruined Star Wars, you obviously never saw the original Chewbacca tv series

Or the prequels.

 

[Dutch Inn '76]

I think the point is that fans of both Disney and Star Wars will be disappointed by SWGE - because the finished product can never meet the ridiculous expectations people create in their minds. I'm sure the backlash on this board (and The DIS) will be huge. Many Disney superfans cannot be satisfied.

Personally, I'm sure I'll enjoy SWGE. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

 

[DisneyJayL]

Y’all about ripping something apart before it gets started.

 

[Make_EPCOT_Great_Again]

And that's part of the problem with some of these fans. The franchise is something that is growing, changing and that the baton is being handed over to the next generation. My 10 year old daughter LOVED The Last Jedi, more than any other Star Wars movie before it. It was made more for her generation than ours. That was sort of one of the themes of the film and there are some people who just can't accept that. Lucas himself even said that the target audience was 12 year olds and it is... AND 12 years olds at heart.

So just because something is meant for 12 year olds, we can dismiss the completely nonsensical approach that was taken with TLJ. The movie is a disaster plot wise, character wise, dialogue wise, etc etc. Things can grow and change all they want but it still must adhere to the rules set by the previous films in a series and make sense. Lucas said that Star Wars (the film released in 1977) was meant for 12 year olds and then followed that up with The Empire Strikes Back, which is considered a masterpiece and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) sequels of all time. Maybe we thought that movies meant for children could still be great back then. The mindset of forgiving the faults with Disney’s Star Wars by using the excuse that “they’re kids movies” is not a valid reason and TESB backs that up. Its a kids movie so the storytelling doesn’t matter, really? It’s great that your 10 year old loves TLJ but that doesn’t make up for it being not only a bad Star Wars movie but simply a bad movie. I love Star Wars more than anything besides my child but I don’t blindly accept anything they slap the Star Wars label on. So maybe the problem with “some of these fans” is accepting things that don’t stack up to what came before.

 

[Make_EPCOT_Great_Again]

Or the prequels.

The Prequels were absolutely executed poorly but the story they tell is solid. The plot the Prequels effectively tells why the events in the OT happened, which is important in a story numbered chronologically. It was lazy for Disney/Abrams to have Ep VII match Ep IV (as well as other parts of the OT) so closely. Not only are story elements the same but scenes are directly lifted from previous films. Example: in the beginning of ANH we see Leia placing the Death Star plans into a droid who escapes into a desert from bad guy in black then in the beginning of TFA we see Poe putting part of the map to Luke into a droid who escapes into a desert from a bag guy in black. The cut and paste job then continues to go on and on and on. I hear people say that Disney has to do it to introduce a new generation to Star Wars but why? My 7 year old was introduced to Star Wars the same way I was by watching ANH and it worked for him.

If you go to Rebelscum.com and read my posts years ago about the Prequels, you will see that I am by no means a champion of those films but Ep VII and VIII have definitely made me reevaluate my feelings towards them. The ideas in those films have much more depth and creativity than the Disney films but Lucas failed to translate it to film. So are they great films like the OT? No, not even close but do they make the Star Wars story more grand and complete? Yes, absolutely. I cannot say the same for the ST.

 

[James J]

Bog Iger was shambolic for the first ten years. It's only really now he's playing catch up.

As for Star Wars - does anyone think perhaps the franchise maybe slowing down? The last movie was poorly received critically and commercially. It took less than 400 million worldwide than Jurrasic World, even Black Panther is set to over take it commerically.

What's even more astonishing is it took less money by a big margin that Fast And the Furious 7 !

I see the hype regarding the actual franchise, i see a fair few parents trying to sell it to their children as though it's some important biblican movie - and the media hype it to the max. But with the way Disney are going about it, that studio like feel to each movie - i don't see it any bigger than the Marvel Universe.

The land will be crazy busy, but a few years down the line it will slow down IMO.

The Last Jedi did pretty well critically. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, average rating of 8.1/10. It was the audience scores that were lower, but I personally very much enjoyed it. Yes it's takings weren't as big as other movies at the box office, but they were still pretty decent.

 

[larryz]

Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes was 47%. It has been widely panned by the consumers. The Box Office for a Star Wars movie was weak. Furthermore, if they are creating a poor product it will eat into the next movie.

Take away the hype, and it's essentially just another Marvel type product, rather than some biblican proportion epic event that it's sold as these days.

The problem with the two movies that have come out, is that you can tell a studio, execes have had their imprints all over it, rather than it being some independent vision. You'll have an exec there who is saying we need a female character here to appeal young girls, we need a robot here so we can make money from the merchandise, and we can't kill this character off because it will eat into merchandise sales. It's all too safe. They've spent so much acquiring the rights to it, that they just don't want to destroy it, and are playing too safe.

The Last Jedi was simply awful.

Or maybe you were just expecting too much from a formula studio like Disney...

 

[Damon7777]

The problem with the two movies that have come out, is that you can tell a studio, execes have had their imprints all over it, rather than it being some independent vision. You'll have an exec there who is saying we need a female character here to appeal young girls, we need a robot here so we can make money from the merchandise, and we can't kill this character off because it will eat into merchandise sales. It's all too safe. They've spent so much acquiring the rights to it, that they just don't want to destroy it, and are playing too safe.

You speak with straight tongue------I'm buying all of it

The two Disney offerings stink of safety, toy and t-shirt sales, pandering and executive meddling.

((( and I say George was up to no good, too, come post Empire Strikes)))

 

[MisterPenguin]

Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes was 47%. It has been widely panned by the consumers.

Non-scientific, self-selecting internet poll is non-scientific and self-selecting. IOW, likely to be wrong. A vocal minority is still a minority.

'Last Jedi' gets thumbs up from 89% of viewers, says new poll

 

[Make_EPCOT_Great_Again]

Non-scientific, self-selecting internet poll is non-scientific and self-selecting. IOW, likely to be wrong. A vocal minority is still a minority.

'Last Jedi' gets thumbs up from 89% of viewers, says new poll

The article you link to is from December 20, 2017 ....5 days after the movie came out so I wouldn’t put much faith in it

Go back and watch old clips from when TPM was first released and people are on video leaving the theater loving it but we now know how a majority criticize that film.

TESB was widely panned when first released but is now considered an all time classic.

So a poll of 4,500 people taken less than a week after a films release is sort of meaningless

 

[MisterPenguin]

The article you link to is from December 20, 2017 ....5 days after the movie came out so I wouldn’t put much faith in it

The scientific poll was asking the first weekend viewers what they thought. That was at the time that the RT audience score tanked. So, yeah, it is relevant to show that the RT audience score was manipulated and an outlier. Other online internet polls at the time, such as the one at IDMB showed a similar positive score from the audience with even more people 'reviewing' it.

Not to mention that CinemaScore, another scientific polling of the audience, gave it an A.

And comScore’s PostTrack uses a more scientific sampling of people who have actually seen the movie found that 68% rated “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” as “excellent” and another 21% as “very good.” A total of 82% said they would “definitely recommend” the film.

 

[Raineman]

Y’all about ripping something apart before it gets started.

This whole post is deja vu from 2 years ago when a bunch of people were saying the exact same things about Pandora at DAK. People think they have an informed decision solely based on models and pictures, and let their disillusionment with Disney fill in the rest. You can't pass judgement on something that you haven't yet experienced when it comes to theme parks, but it seems like some people already have their mind made up, because Disney is always the bad guy, right?

 

[Make_EPCOT_Great_Again]

The scientific poll was asking the first weekend viewers what they thought. That was at the time that the RT audience score tanked. So, yeah, it is relevant to show that the RT audience score was manipulated and an outlier. Other online internet polls at the time, such as the one at IDMB showed a similar positive score from the audience with even more people 'reviewing' it.

Not to mention that CinemaScore, another scientific polling of the audience, gave it an A.

And comScore’s PostTrack uses a more scientific sampling of people who have actually seen the movie found that 68% rated “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” as “excellent” and another 21% as “very good.” A total of 82% said they would “definitely recommend” the film.

Lets just use CinemaScore as an example

According to the CinemaScore:
The Phantom Menace has a CinemaScore of A-
Attack of the Clones has a CinemaScore of A-
Revenge of the Sith has a CinemaScore of A-

Does anyone believe in those results after we all know how much hate is thrown at the Prequels ?

Scientific or not, I’m not accepting polls taken on the opening weekend of big franchise films when the people most likely to have blind loyalty or not be able to process their disappointment fully are the ones being polled. I’ve been that person on opening day that didn’t want to accept that The Phantom Menace was not what I was hoping for but still wanted to like it.

I put more stock in box office performance over time and TLJ had one of (if not the fastest) drop offs of all Star Wars films. It absolutely made a ton of money but that was mostly front loaded and didn’t command the box office over time comparatively to other Star Wars films.

 

[GVentola]

I love the original trilogy--seen each movie countless times. The prequels were "one and done" except for episode III, which I saw twice. I like the latest two better than the prequels but not as much as the OT. I like Rey and Finn and Poe, but not as much as I liked Han, Luke, and Leia. As for Galaxy's Edge, I expect to like it, but not get to experience it much until I can get Fast Passes for the rides. Which may take a while. In Pandora, I have been able to get a Fast Pass and ride the Na'vi River Journey, but as yet, cannot score one for Flight of Passage. That's okay, I can bide my time. Or maybe, when the line is only 80 minutes instead of 2 hours, actually stand in line and wait. I hear the queue area has a lot to explore!

Oh, and even though I liked The Force Awakens, I did have a problem with the bad guys making a weapon like the Death Star. So this one is bigger and destroys solar systems and not just planets! Not enough of a difference...

 

[Maerj]

So just because something is meant for 12 year olds, we can dismiss the completely nonsensical approach that was taken with TLJ. The movie is a disaster plot wise, character wise, dialogue wise, etc etc. Things can grow and change all they want but it still must adhere to the rules set by the previous films in a series and make sense. Lucas said that Star Wars (the film released in 1977) was meant for 12 year olds and then followed that up with The Empire Strikes Back, which is considered a masterpiece and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) sequels of all time. Maybe we thought that movies meant for children could still be great back then. The mindset of forgiving the faults with Disney’s Star Wars by using the excuse that “they’re kids movies” is not a valid reason and TESB backs that up. Its a kids movie so the storytelling doesn’t matter, really? It’s great that your 10 year old loves TLJ but that doesn’t make up for it being not only a bad Star Wars movie but simply a bad movie. I love Star Wars more than anything besides my child but I don’t blindly accept anything they slap the Star Wars label on. So maybe the problem with “some of these fans” is accepting things that don’t stack up to what came before.

The critics seemed to enjoy it. Why is that?

 

[Maerj]

Compared to Harry Potter fans no. Go to universal. Half the kids are wearing house cloaks and have wands.

You don't get that at Star Tours/DHS on a regular day.

Universal also has 2 Potter lands as opposed to Disney's 1 Star Wars attraction (currently.) Not to mention that Potter's school robes and a stick are less elaborate than some of the Star Wars costumes, many of which also have masks that are not allowed in Disney Parks.

 

[Make_EPCOT_Great_Again]

The critics seemed to enjoy it. Why is that?

Maybe they were scared of being banned from the advanced screenings of Disney films like the LA Times was ... haha just playin’

The Empire Strikes Back received poor reviews from critics even though it’s pretty much unanimously considered the best Star Wars film and a masterpiece. Why is that?

Personally, I don’t care what critics think and make up my mind on my own. I’ll listen to the opinions of people I know in real life or on the Star Wars collecting forums I’m a member of and then enjoy the debates back and forth. I do not for a second consider what paid critics have to say.

 

[durangojim]

Maybe they were scared of being banned from the advanced screenings of Disney films like the LA Times was ... haha just playin’

The Empire Strikes Back received poor reviews from critics even though it’s pretty much unanimously considered the best Star Wars film and a masterpiece. Why is that?

Personally, I don’t care what critics think and make up my mind on my own. I’ll listen to the opinions of people I know in real life or on the Star Wars collecting forums I’m a member of and then enjoy the debates back and forth. I do not for a second consider what paid critics have to say.

TLJ was a great movie if only for the reason that they showed what a bunch of ignoramuses the Jedi were as evidenced by the prequels. The Canto Bight scene could have been removed along with the Rose character but otherwise it was a great movie. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.

 

[21stamps]

And that's part of the problem with some of these fans. The franchise is something that is growing, changing and that the baton is being handed over to the next generation. My 10 year old daughter LOVED The Last Jedi, more than any other Star Wars movie before it. It was made more for her generation than ours. That was sort of one of the themes of the film and there are some people who just can't accept that. Lucas himself even said that the target audience was 12 year olds and it is... AND 12 years olds at heart.

I’m 40 years old..and loved The Last Jedi.

TLJ was a great movie if only for the reason that they showed what a bunch of ignoramuses the Jedi were as evidenced by the prequels. The Canto Bight scene could have been removed along with the Rose character but otherwise it was a great movie. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.

Hey.. I like Rose!

 

[MrConbon]

The article you link to is from December 20, 2017 ....5 days after the movie came out so I wouldn’t put much faith in it

Go back and watch old clips from when TPM was first released and people are on video leaving the theater loving it but we now know how a majority criticize that film.

TESB was widely panned when first released but is now considered an all time classic.

So a poll of 4,500 people taken less than a week after a films release is sort of meaningless

People also hated The Empire Strikes Back when it was first released so I fail to see your point