What would be the best example of a an attraction designed with FP in mind? I would think Soarin or Test Track? Just guessing though. In your opinion, is there a better design that Disney has not yet attempted?
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One day Pirates of the Caribbean closure for refurbishment
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MagicHappens1971
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Me too! I thought we just missed it or something!
MagicHappens1971
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I think Peter Pan and Pirates could both use complete refurbs/complete redos. A new start, maybe?
Test Track wasn't FP designed. It was shoved in afterwards. The current preshow setup is not FP friendly.
IMHO there was indeed a better design. Standby only. It worked for nearly 30 years in Orlando.
With a full roster of quality attractions to spread the crowds.
Thats one thing I always come back to. When I was young and visited there was no FP, only standby. I never recall wait times being a major issue. If a ride had a really long wait we just came back later. If memory serves correct, 60 min was about as bad as it ever got and even then if a ride said "60 min wait", it was usually only 45. Considering I was a child and most likely had a lower tolerance level, you would think Id have memories of wait times ruining a vacation as some people seem to make it out to be, but its just simply not the case.
I think now more than ever it is clearly obvious that Disney has done a poor job adding attraction capacity to keep up with the ever rising attendance numbers. They can add all the Hard ticket events they want but it doesnt help disperse crowds evenly, all though some act like the ability to drink at Rose and Crown after hours is equivalent to an E ticket.
That's the thing people often fail to realize. Fastpass was not created to benefit guest having shorter waiting times. You virtually wait. Thus giving you a chance to spend money elsewhere. That is why virtual queuing was created.
The + is just taking it one step further and directly tracking what people spend their time and money on without conducting surveys that take more effort and time. Everything now has a digital turnstile.
The + is just taking it one step further and directly tracking what people spend their time and money on without conducting surveys that take more effort and time. Everything now has a digital turnstile.
While what you say is true, Disney advertises FP as a way to save you time waiting in line. The name alone implies speed. They would never advertise it as a way to make you spend money. Just because we are aware that the affect Disney intends is for you to spend more, doesnt excuse them or the fact that in the end Disney makes more money and all the customer gets in return is a longer overall wait time and less money in their wallet all while being told that FP truly does enhance their vacation.
I am with you. Don't think I am arguing against it. I wish Fastpass never existed.The way you say it is true. That is perception. And perception is just about everything. The same way someone can argue they got a deal at a store because the store said it was on sale. I was just pointing out the reminder to those who do not understand the point of virtual queuing.
I didn't take your post as you were defending it. Sorry if mine came off to imply that you were. Both of your posts make very good points.
ford91exploder
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That's your problem, the CM needs to make their numbers and that's the only metric that counts. Unfortunately the parks are now run by the 'Sharp pencil boys' Walt warned about so numbers are the only thing that matter guest satisfaction is last on the list.
I'm hoping that at some point Disney has a Dominos pizza moment and they admit they screwed up and begin again doing it right.
The Dominos Pizza was probably the most amazing bit of corporate behavior I have ever seen
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Incomudro
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Really?
The first time I went to Disney World was the year it opened - my Father took the family - and I certainly remember arduous and uncomfortably long and hot lines for 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and Jungle Cruise.
BoarderPhreak
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I remember them too, and at EPCOT when it opened. But worst case, they were no longer than they are now. So in effect, FP solves nothing.
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TheGhostWithTheMost
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I remember long times for things like Jungle in when I first went in 1995. I remember feeling like the line went on forever and never ended. Pirates would get up there as well, even with both sides of the queue being open to all guest. I remember going as a guest around Christmas time one year before fastpass and waiting at least 50 to 60 minutes for it. Mansion was always the amazing people eater. I never remember waiting more than 20minutes. And then the new queue came. And then Fastpass+ came. And mucked everything up.
DisneyGentleman
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To me, it implies "pulling a fast one" on the guest (as in the art of deception).
Bairstow
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Depends on the park-goer.
For Disney's preferred target audience of families with young kids, who have to take frequent breaks/naps/meals to let the kids burn off energy or rest or whatever, being able to virtually queue and/or have some set ride reservations really is a time-saver and a benefit.
For commando-style theme park "experts" who try to do 12-14 attractions per day, which I assume makes up a lot of the user base of this site, not only is FP+ not a big advantage, it actually increases their wait times by putting first-timers and families on a more level playing field.
RSoxNo1
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Have you used the previous version?
NearTheEars
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I've had great success also, but only because it fits the way we tour perfectly.
But I would be all for scraping FP completely, or removing the advance option and making it a one at a time selection via app or kiosk. Essentially modernizing the old system.
MerlinTheGoat
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From my fairly extensive experience (which began back around 1991 so i'm quite familiar with a traditional BS-free WDW visit), implementing Fastpass/FP+ has accomplished nothing more than two things in altering wait times, neither of them positive. It has first inflated the standby lines to somewhere in the range of 3-5 times what they originally was, and the Fastpass line has now inherited the original wait times the standby lines USED to have. So a ride like Pirates which previously had a 10-15 minute wait in the busiest season of the year (before Fastpass) now commands a 30-50 minute standby wait or longer. The Fastpass line for POTC during my recent visit was about 10 minutes, while the standby line was about 50 minutes. Sucks...
Martin nailed it. WDW functioned properly for multiple decades without having Fastpass by instead having plenty of quality, efficient and reasonably high capacity rides spreading the crowds out the correct way. Any miraculous $2+ billion budget back in those days would be invested wisely on REAL new attractions and maintenance.
Martin nailed it. WDW functioned properly for multiple decades without having Fastpass by instead having plenty of quality, efficient and reasonably high capacity rides spreading the crowds out the correct way. Any miraculous $2+ billion budget back in those days would be invested wisely on REAL new attractions and maintenance.