Nothing Goofy about Disney park moves

ParentsOf4

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You can ride this and watch a simulation video on your smart phone, all without Fastpass+. Innovative.
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Comparing Mission Space to this is like comparing Tower of Terror to this:

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Tower of Terror is innovative.

So is Mission Space.
 

TubaGeek

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Comparing Mission Space to this is like comparing Tower of Terror to this:

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Tower of Terror is innovative.

So is Mission Space.
One of them took a basic ride and added a part where you go forward along a track. The other took a basic ride and added simulated G-forces. By that logic, you could say that M:S is MORE innovative, but, because TOT is better themed, people refuse to see it.
 
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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
One of them took a basic ride and added a part where you go forward along a track. The other took a basic ride and added simulated G-forces. By that logic, you could say that M:S is MORE innovative, but, because it better themed, people refuse to see it.

Don't forget the randomness of the drop sequence on Tower. Just sayin...:)
 

BigTxEars

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Seems to be that YOU'RE the one who doesn't care for the parks, considering how complacent you are when they're falling so far behind the competition. No, not in numbers, but in quality; the parks are NOT "doing fine".

http://bensonian.org/2012/02/10/defending-ad-hominem-arguments/
Have a day!

Yeah the parks are indeed doing fine, they are full of paying customers. The exact purpose of them being there is it not? They were designed and built as a money making enterprise, they seem to be doing that pretty well these days.

I just spent a week at the Hard Rock at Universal in the summer of 2013, Disney is not falling behind them IMO. Both are worthy parks but Disney is not slipping to Universal in overall enjoyment. Transformers and the new Minion experience were entertaining to be sure but I am much more looking forward to the new Fantasy Land and the Mine Train than I was to those two rides. To each his own but we are so happy with Disney we bought into the DVC this year.
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Yeah the parks are indeed doing fine, they are full of paying customers. The exact purpose of them being there is it not? They were designed and built as a money making enterprise, they seem to be doing that pretty well these days.

I just spent a week at the Hard Rock at Universal in the summer of 2013, Disney is not falling behind them IMO. Both are worthy parks but Disney is not slipping to Universal in overall enjoyment. Transformers and the new Minion experience were entertaining to be sure but I am much more looking forward to the new Fantasy Land and the Mine Train than I was to those two rides. To each his own but we are so happy with Disney we bought into the DVC this year.
Alright, you can go judge things by how much money they make; I'll judge things based on how much they care about their guests and cast as opposed to the bottom line. And we're both happy.
 

Cubfan300

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First of all, USAToday is barely a newspaper, IMO. It's a collection of puff pieces for the most part. This article is no exception. The reporter was fed the facts and he did what he was told, like a good little puppy.

You know, we've been talking here for a long time about what would be an effective "Potter swatter" for WDW. Most of us agree that Avatar sure as heck ain't it. Nor is Star Wars. The main reason is that NEITHER have that Disney connection in the public's mind. Remember, DCA in Disneyland didn't succeed in large part because - in Robert Iger's own words - it wasn't "Disney" enough. (The guy's a hypocrite, though - he says that, then buys the rights to Avatar to shoehorn it into AK, while ignoring the possibilities of home-grown product like The Lion King and Jungle Book...but I digress).

But now, Disney may have that "Potter swatter"...in Frozen. But it all depends on how ambitious Disney will get about it. Whether it will build a major attraction, or major area, or just stick with the meet-and-greets.

Sadly, it'll probably be the latter...
Star Wars isn't the answer? The most successful movie series in history will drive droves of visitors to the parks in a way that Harry Potter never could. You will have 3 full generations of people that will fill a Star Wars land where Potters Field will be passe in 10 years. Of course, that is just one man's opinion.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Star Wars isn't the answer? The most successful movie series in history will drive droves of visitors to the parks in a way that Harry Potter never could. You will have 3 full generations of people that will fill a Star Wars land where Potters Field will be passe in 10 years. Of course, that is just one man's opinion.

I think to Magenta, if it is not Disney, it is not the answer.
 

BigTxEars

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WDW was built with money to earn more money, that is the truth of it. As a resort destination business it ain't doing to bad, I mean being number one in the world and all. So the internet naysayers can go on and on about how poorly the parks are run these days but business is darn good there.
 

BigTxEars

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Nyope and yuuup. Don't get me wrong: Star Wars will get a LOT of people into the park, but your assessment of Potter is simply not right.

Potter may or may not continue to drive business, it was a smart move on Universal part to grab something to challenge Disney. I am not sure of the long term holding power of Potter. Walk into a general retail store today and you are going to find Star Wars products, you will not find many if any Potter products. Time will tell of course if Potter will grab a new generation or not. That world is ripe for a new storyline, that would really help keep it alive longterm. If I could choose one to build a business around it would be Star Wars though. Those Star Wars fans are nuts loyal.
 

ParentsOf4

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WDW was built with money to earn more money, that is the truth of it. As a resort destination business it ain't doing to bad, I mean being number one in the world and all. So the internet naysayers can go on and on about how poorly the parks are run these days but business is darn good there.
Please, before you write further about WDW as a business, read this.

It will tell you a little bit about the history of WDW as a business. You should find it informative.

As a business, WDW is being badly mismanaged right now and gross margins are down.

Current management is attempting to "fix" this by raising prices and cutting quality.

That's not a "fix". That's the problem.
 

BigTxEars

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Alright, you can go judge things by how much money they make; I'll judge things based on how much they care about their guests and cast as opposed to the bottom line. And we're both happy.

And you can keep denying that WDW is flourishing today as posted in the OP because ALOT of people enjoy going there, again and again. People who despite what you seem to think are not inflicted with "pixies dust" blindness. You are about as bitter as can be about a theme park, if it has lost it's magic for you then stop going and move on. You sound like a jilted ex boyfriend that just hangs around insulting his ex girlfriend. Maybe it's time to move on......

The bottom line, yeah who in business has time to worry about that? And the horrid way they treat their guest, no wonder on one every goes back to WDW. I mean repeat business at WDW, must be a very small portion of their business. And their CMs, it's borderline abuse the way they treat them....no wonder they have such a hard time hiring.......

Either way less of you at the parks means one less person I have to wait behind right? So yeah WDW is horrible, I hear Busch Gardens is pretty nice in Tampa......
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Potter may or may not continue to drive business, it was a smart move on Universal part to grab something to challenge Disney. I am not sure of the long term holding power of Potter. Walk into a general retail store today and you are going to find Star Wars products, you will not find many if any Potter products. Time will tell of course if Potter will grab a new generation or not. That world is ripe for a new storyline, that would really help keep it alive longterm. If I could choose one to build a business around it would be Star Wars though. Those Star Wars fans are nuts loyal.
One thing that CAN'T be undone: all the growth that has happened BECAUSE of Harry Potter. Transformers, Springfield, Despicable Me, the Wet and Wild acquisition, land acquisition, and all of the upcoming expansions and growth owe their promptness and speed to Harry Potter.
And I dunno what stores you walk into, but there is still PLENTY of Potter merch lining the shelves, and more will come when they release Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, which takes place in the Harry Potter universe.
And you can keep denying that WDW is flourishing today as posted in the OP because ALOT of people enjoy going there, again and again. People who despite what you seem to think are not inflicted with "pixies dust" blindness. You are about as bitter as can be about a theme park, if it has lost it's magic for you then stop going and move on. You sound like a jilted ex boyfriend that just hangs around insulting his ex girlfriend. Maybe it's time to move on......

The bottom line, yeah who in business has time to worry about that? And the horrid way they treat their guest, no wonder on one every goes back to WDW. I mean repeat business at WDW, must be a very small portion of their business. And their CMs, it's borderline abuse the way they treat them....no wonder they have such a hard time hiring.......

Either way less of you at the parks means one less person I have to wait behind right? So yeah WDW is horrible, I hear Busch Gardens is pretty nice in Tampa......
I stay on this site in hopes that I'll find some info that will spark some hope for me. Hope that the parks will finally live up to their reputation.
Just because Disney is seeing a lot of guests doesn't mean that they're being treated right. Have you heard of "The Rizzo Effect"?
And trust me, being a CM sucks. Been there, done that, it's not a good life. They have no trouble filling positions, though, because of the College Program/slave labor, which is why you rarely see a frontline CM with more than a year experience. Just look at their nametags next time; if it says a college instead of a city, that's someone making dirt, living in an overpriced apartment with five other people, and keeping Disney from having to actually HIRE someone. When you're working for minimum wage, you don't want to spend your lunch break buying a $7 meal from some third-party company that Disney sells you out to. I could go on, but that's for another thread.
 
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