Not good but saw it coming

[csaguy]

Ms

I don't think I'm old or in bad shape, but my wife says I am (54 going on 12). I love MS! I rode it 6 times last week, 3 time in a row.
I feel for any family that loses a loved one, it doesn't matter how it happens.

 

[dimebagdarrel]

You need to take a statistics class.

Sorry I dont view two people dying as statistics. People here try to put on quotes "well only .0062 percent of people have to go to the hospital after riding". You know what? Thats .0062 percent too much for me. These people that died were human beings. Too many people here are trying to downplay this tragic event and there acting as if nothing happened. Sometimes it's easier to sweep things under the rug then to deal with them head on. There needs to be a serious investigation on M:S. I'm not saying tear it down, but research the problem, and adjust the ride accordingly.

 

[Connor002]

There needs to be a serious investigation on M:S. I'm not saying tear it down, but research the problem, and adjust the ride accordingly.

Just as a quick question...
What do you want them to do?

Dust for fingerprints?
DNA tests?






What will it solve?
Nothing.

 

[Tigggrl]

Ok, obviously DBD, you have tunnel vision...afraid to see the overall picture....I give up.

 

[imagineer boy]

Just as a quick question...
What do you want them to do?

Dust for fingerprints?
DNA tests?






What will it solve?
Nothing.

They could always just try the old technique of grabbing a random guy, make him ride the ride and ask him if he feels like he's dieing. If he says no, then it must be safe!:lol:

 

[dimebagdarrel]

How about they finish the saftey tests that they failed to complete? How about doing more research on the effects of g forces in a centrifuge. Even maybe look into toning the ride down a tad. Don't just open up the ride the next day and say well the ride is operating to our standards. We hope everything is ok but ride at your own risk. It's disrespectful to the victims and its dangerous for the park guests.

 

[peter11435]

How about they finish the saftey tests that they failed to complete?

Please stop making false accusations such as this one.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Sorry I dont view two people dying as statistics. People here try to put on quotes "well only .0062 percent of people have to go to the hospital after riding". You know what? Thats .0062 percent too much for me. These people that died were human beings. Too many people here are trying to downplay this tragic event and there acting as if nothing happened. Sometimes it's easier to sweep things under the rug then to deal with them head on. There needs to be a serious investigation on M:S. I'm not saying tear it down, but research the problem, and adjust the ride accordingly.

Nothing, NOTHING is ever 100% safe. Only abstinence.

 

[Pongo]

Sorry I dont view two people dying as statistics. People here try to put on quotes "well only .0062 percent of people have to go to the hospital after riding". You know what? Thats .0062 percent too much for me. These people that died were human beings. Too many people here are trying to downplay this tragic event and there acting as if nothing happened. Sometimes it's easier to sweep things under the rug then to deal with them head on. There needs to be a serious investigation on M:S. I'm not saying tear it down, but research the problem, and adjust the ride accordingly.

I quoted you there because you said, "Two deaths means theres something wrong."

When two deaths out of NINE MILLION does not mean ANYTHING is wrong. Getting on the ride is a risk that people must be willing to take. Disney makes that point very clear with the 17 CLEARLY VISIBLE warning signs throught the queue.

Two deaths does not mean something is wrong. You cannot assume immediate causation between the ride and everyone's pending safety.

Yes, two people have died, and it is extremely tragic. I am not making light of the situation. But the ride does not need to be closed down or anything you have suggested.

Two people have died, but 4,500,000 times that number are alive. And that number grows ever lagrger by the second.

This. Is. A. Safe. Ride.

 

[Connor002]

How about they finish the saftey tests that they failed to complete?

You do not know that tests were left incomplete.

How about doing more research on the effects of g forces in a centrifuge

.
Why? Because you said so?
By the way, NASA has already extensive work in this area, hence why Disney and NASA did some work together.

Even maybe look into toning the ride down a tad.

Why? Nothing has been traced to the ride.

 

[mousermerf]

Just wanted to note...

143 people out of 8.6bil went to the hospital after riding before the 4yo died.

In terms of riders, that's one every 60,139 rides. So that means one every 4-5 days. Or, if you'd rather compare it in terms of time.. The ride was open for roughly 2 years before the 4yo died. 52 weeks times 2.. divided by 143.. times the number of days in a week.. equal 5.

Someone goes to the hospital from M:S roughly every 5 days.

I think that's a bit excessive..

 

[Captain Chaos]

I posted last night, didn't post or read this thread all day. I come home from work, have dinner, now I am set to read some Disney fan boards and I click on here.. And WOW!!!!! 27 pages of arguing over such a terrible incident.. Last night, I do believe I said I did not like MS and would hope they closed it now. I admit, I posted that with a heavy heart after reading this news...

Now that I have read both sides, no one here makes sense... What ever side you are on.... Everyone is spinning things to back up their argument... None of you are right, and none of you are wrong.. Except Dimebag there... Dude, no offense, but you really need to look up info before posting....

My observations: Majority of you blast people who go on this ride and do not heed the signs. The signs are warning signs for those people who know they have a medical condition that this ride could kick up. But, we need to remember a lot of people have conditions that they do not know about, and this ride can aggravate them causing sickness or death. Not the person's fault. I would not hold Disney responsible either because they cannot screen their guests' health issues.

The minority on this board is calling for the ride to be shut down. Maybe you have a point about the ride being unsafe. But you may not either. Of course, you spin things to fit your point of view. Which is fine, but you are not right nor are you wrong.

The public will eventually have the final say. If people start getting scared to ride MS, then the lines will be JIYI length and Disney would be forced into looking for a change. If the ride stays popular and pulls in huge crowds, the ride stays. Not saying Disney won't tweak something here or there because of these deaths, but the public will determine the fate of this ride, not anyone on this board.

My opinion hasn't changed about the ride itself. I still do not care for it. My choice is not to ride it when I visit WDW. But I am allowed to feel this way. And for those of you who do like the ride and want to ride it, enjoy it for all it is worth. I am not looking for Disney to close the ride. I actually hate when they do close rides cause we all know what would happen. That building would stay dormant for years. And then everyone would complain about that.

Staying away all day from this thread helped me cool down before I argued nonsense like a lot of these other posts. I suggest everyone else do the same. Hopefully cooler heads prevail. I know in my case it did.

 

[GothMickey]

Ok, now you lost me too goth. I was with your arguments up until this point. You've now entered that zone that many people get to on internet message boards and are arguing just to argue. This happens all too often on message boards, you have to defend your position so you defend it to the extreme.

You know what, I think I lost myself as well. You are right. I went into that zone. Not the zone to go. I admit I know nothing of the testing that was done so I do take that back. But I do not take back my opinion that this ride stinks and is dangerous.

 

[GothMickey]

Just wanted to note...

143 people out of 8.6bil went to the hospital after riding before the 4yo died.

In terms of riders, that's one every 60,139 rides. So that means one every 4-5 days. Or, if you'd rather compare it in terms of time.. The ride was open for roughly 2 years before the 4yo died. 52 weeks times 2.. divided by 143.. times the number of days in a week.. equal 5.

Someone goes to the hospital from M:S roughly every 5 days.

I think that's a bit excessive..

Bravo Mousemerf, Bravo indeed.... That is excessive, but, hey M:S is a safe and non-dangerous ride....

 

[mousermerf]

If statistics hold true - someone should be taking an ambulance ride on Sunday, possibly Saturday due to higher than usual traffic in the park.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

Disney makes that point very clear with the 17 CLEARLY VISIBLE warning signs throught the queue.

Actually, there are 26, believe it or not.

 

[dxwwf3]

Something else I was thinking of today is how Disney puts warnings for many attractions. Look at the warnings for Kilimanjaro Safaris, for example. If people read these type of warnings for mild attractions, they assume that Disney just puts these types of warnings up for everything. And to a degree, I can see that point of view because I have seen Disney warnings for so many years. Sometimes they tend to over exaggerate a bit.

Does anyone else think that this might have an effect on people that give the more intense attractions a try?

 

[Pongo]

Something else I was thinking of today is how Disney puts warnings for many attractions. Look at the warnings for Kilimanjaro Safaris, for example. If people read these type of warnings for mild attractions, they assume that Disney just puts these types of warnings up for everything. And to a degree, I can see that point of view because I have seen Disney warnings for so many years. Sometimes they tend to over exaggerate a bit.

Does anyone else think that this might have an effect on people that give the more intense attractions a try?

Oh, I don't doubt that people read the warning signs and don't give them a second thought.

It's almost like speed limit signs. You see them and you know they're there, but you don't NOTICE them after a while. The problem is, when the signs change, you don't notice it.

 

[MacDuffieMuppet]

Just wanted to note...

143 people out of 8.6bil went to the hospital after riding before the 4yo died.

In terms of riders, that's one every 60,139 rides. So that means one every 4-5 days. Or, if you'd rather compare it in terms of time.. The ride was open for roughly 2 years before the 4yo died. 52 weeks times 2.. divided by 143.. times the number of days in a week.. equal 5.

Someone goes to the hospital from M:S roughly every 5 days.

I think that's a bit excessive..

This posting is absolutly true...if u dont believe you can read the article at www.orlandosentinal.com those facts come right from the sight

i have been on it..it is a really good ride... i am srry to the family and give them my condlance, but its not at all disney's fault...they have at least 20 signs posted outside and in the que area wraning about problems that this ride can cause. I was at school today and peopel were like oh they should sue, they should sue and shut the ride down. They have no right to say that they should sue becuase they autopsy showed that she had blood pressure problems. the ride blows air to feel pressure and will cuase breathign to get harder.

The idea of it being closed it just down right stupid. This is a big ride for disney. If they were to close they would be losing alot of visitors of want to ride this ride. KEEP it open... it is a good ride...peopel should know there limits.

 

[WDWGuide]

Sorry I dont view two people dying as statistics. People here try to put on quotes "well only .0062 percent of people have to go to the hospital after riding". You know what? Thats .0062 percent too much for me. These people that died were human beings. Too many people here are trying to downplay this tragic event and there acting as if nothing happened.

While this is slightly off-topic/soap box-ish, I felt that since so many people have expressed their disgust over senseless, sudden deaths, this might be worth posting.

I warmly invite you and all the other on this thread to write to your congress(wo)man TODAY and tell them you are SICK and TIRED of the high rate of automobile fatalities in the United States, which are close to twice that of many other industrialized countries. Ask for mandatory jail time for drunk or otherwise impaired drivers. Ask for improved car safety regulation and better road safety devices. Ask for better public transportation systems.
40,000+ people die each year on the roads, almost half of which due to drunk drivers, through no fault of their own. More than ten times as many get injured. That's about 110 deaths and 1300 injuries while we were discussing this particular incident!
Unfortunately with this topic, people REALLY act as if this is just an accepted, everyday fact of life that can't be helped.

Clearly, if Mission: Space killed this woman, it's an unacceptable situation that will have to be resolved such that it will not be repeated. But people never seem to mention that there are dozens of people each year that never make it to their Disney World vacation because they are killed on the way there. They shouldn't have to be just another anonymous statistic either, and maybe wouldn't have to be if people were willing to spend an extra One-Day WDW ticket's worth of extra taxes each year to do something about it.