Not good but saw it coming

Timmay

Timmay

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wannab@dis said:
Very true! In addition, didn't someone die a couple of years ago on BTMRR in DL? And it was determined to be a problem with the ride. AND, it's still operating.

So, if after the investigation and they determine M:S is the cause, there's precedence to not close it down. Also, other parks have reopened rides where deaths occurred. So, continually calling for the closure of the ride seems a little fruitless at this point.
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And somewhat nonsensical as well.
 
Timmay

Timmay

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WDWGuide said:
Take your pick... I am still trying to make up my mind as well.

And yes, your agenda of claiming not to have an evil, secret agenda is inherently evil in itself.

And now for something completely different.
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See, now you are just picking on me...:cool: :)
 
peter11435

peter11435

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dimebagdarrel said:
Its nonsensical to close or change a ride that is killing people?? Tell that to the family of the victim.
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As I said the ride has not "killed" anyone. The fact that you keep phrasing it that way proves that you are trying to push an agenda.
 
kcnole

kcnole

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And you think Disney's Imagineers were fully capable of building a cenerfuge when they have no experience in building them??? That is why Eisner contratced a company with that experience and with Disney not allowing experts to test and build it, Disney failed... sorry...
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Ok, now you lost me too goth. I was with your arguments up until this point. You've now entered that zone that many people get to on internet message boards and are arguing just to argue. This happens all too often on message boards, you have to defend your position so you defend it to the extreme.

Both sides have taken extreme stances in some cases and are arguing those to the detriment of the facts.

The fact is Disney is more than capable of building a centrifuge. The ride has been expected quite often and nothing is wrong with the centrifuge. Had they not been able to build a centrifuge we'd see problems with it breaking apart or physically slinging people around and hurting them.

The problem with this centrifuge is that your every day average human isn't up to this sort of experience and that problem was going to be there whether Disney or ETC built the ride.

So everybody take a step back from this thread, maybe take a day off and breathe before coming back. Quit arguing with each other just to argue and realize that not every point you are making is factual or even logical in some situations.

Now "Have a friggin Magical day"
 
dimebagdarrel

dimebagdarrel

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Yes. You did say the ride hasn't killed anyone. Yet, 2 people now have died after going on MS. Sorry for pushing my evil agenda on you. My agenda is to make the park a SAFER place because no one wants to go to a park where they feel that their life in in danger.
 
dimebagdarrel

dimebagdarrel

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kcnole said:
Ok, now you lost me too goth. I was with your arguments up until this point. You've now entered that zone that many people get to on internet message boards and are arguing just to argue. This happens all too often on message boards, you have to defend your position so you defend it to the extreme.

Both sides have taken extreme stances in some cases and are arguing those to the detriment of the facts.

The fact is Disney is more than capable of building a centrifuge. The ride has been expected quite often and nothing is wrong with the centrifuge. Had they not been able to build a centrifuge we'd see problems with it breaking apart or physically slinging people around and hurting them.

The problem with this centrifuge is that your every day average human isn't up to this sort of experience and that problem was going to be there whether Disney or ETC built the ride.

So everybody take a step back from this thread, maybe take a day off and breathe before coming back. Quit arguing with each other just to argue and realize that not every point you are making is factual or even logical in some situations.

Now "Have a friggin Magical day"
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hahaha thats the best point anyone has made all day
 
peter11435

peter11435

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dimebagdarrel said:
My agenda is to make the park a SAFER place because no one wants to go to a park where they feel that their life in in danger.
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When I was at Epcot this afternoon M:S has a 60 minute wait. Sure doesn't seem like the public feels their life is in danger.

And just so you know people have died during an after nearly every attraction in WDW.
 
Tigggrl

Tigggrl

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dimebagdarrel said:
Yes. You did say the ride hasn't killed anyone. Yet, 2 people now have died after going on MS. Sorry for pushing my evil agenda on you. My agenda is to make the park a SAFER place because no one wants to go to a park where they feel that their life in in danger.
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How do you figure that Disney is directly putting the guest into "Danger"? For example, when the L.A. Marathon was recently run, 3 people, in TOP physical condition were put into th hospital, because of heart related conditions. Does this mean that the city of L.A. Put those people in danger??? What about Serei Grinkov, who died of heart failure rehersing for Stars on Ice??? Does this mean that Ice Skating puts you in Danger??? I mean, come on!
And I like the music of the Police....Especially from Ghost in the Machine.....:hammer:
 
C

CaptainMichael

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peter11435 said:
When I was at Epcot this afternoon M:S has a 60 minute wait. Sure doesn't seem like the public feels their life is in danger.
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That is awesome news!!!

And for the people who have never waited that long for M:S, I have waited that long a few times.
 
Pongo

Pongo

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dimebagdarrel said:
Yes. You did say the ride hasn't killed anyone. Yet, 2 people now have died after going on MS. Sorry for pushing my evil agenda on you. My agenda is to make the park a SAFER place because no one wants to go to a park where they feel that their life in in danger.
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Then I guess we should just get rid of...
Kilimanjaro Safaris: Who knows how those rhinos will behave?
Space Mountain: I always thought those bars were too low...
Splash Mountain: People have drowned before, why not in the future as well?
Soarin': That's one nasty fall.
Fireworks: Those burning embers could land anywhere.
The Haunted Mansion: Falling under the omnimover has proven to be deadly.
Indy Speedway: Whiplash anyone?
The Living Seas: What if that glass breaks?

The truth is, theme parks are inherently dangerous. It's the safety measures that are taken to ensure that no one is hurt.

If a ride wasn't truly safe, it wouldn't have been built. Period.
 
dimebagdarrel

dimebagdarrel

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Pongo said:
Then I guess we should just get rid of...
Kilimanjaro Safaris: Who knows how those rhinos will behave?
Space Mountain: I always thought those bars were too low...
Splash Mountain: People have drowned before, why not in the future as well?
Soarin': That's one nasty fall.
Fireworks: Those burning embers could land anywhere.
The Haunted Mansion: Falling under the omnimover has proven to be deadly.
Indy Speedway: Whiplash anyone?
The Living Seas: What if that glass breaks?

The truth is, theme parks are inherently dangerous. It's the safety measures that are taken to ensure that no one is hurt.

If a ride wasn't truly safe, it wouldn't have been built. Period.
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Number of deaths on:
safaris-0
space mountain-0
splash mountain-0
haunted mansion-0
indy speedway-0
MS-2
If Disney had made a multi-million dollar mistake, don't you think they would do whatever it takes to cover it up?
 
kcnole

kcnole

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Like I said, I don't like Mission Space. It's a ride I can't ride so if it disappeared and was replaced with something else (Horizons 2.0 anyone?) I'd be a happy camper. However, we'll need to wait and see what the final results of her autopsy are, but it appears that she probably had some sort of physical condition already and the intensity of this ride just added to it.

I wouldn't say that the ride killed her. If the ride was a killer we'd be seeing a lot more people come off of it dead. This appears to be someone who had a very bad physical condition already and probably shouldn't have been riding thrill rides.

My only real complaint with this ride is that (despite the warning signs) people apparently don't realize what they're getting into. They equate the MS warning signs with the ones for the tamer rides and think, well I could ride that one so this should be a breeze.

They were enough for me to realize this ride wasn't for me, although like I said a long time ago, the most I thought could happen was me get very nauseuous. I think they need to do a slightly better job impressing upon people that if you are unhealthy to not ride this ride because it could be very dangerous and that this ride is not to be taken lightly.

Cases like the 4 year old boy could still happen, but I don't think Disney was responsible for that. He was probably going to have that same reaction unfortunately at some other time in his future and it's a shame that it happened at anytime, but much less on a happy family vacation.
 
kcnole

kcnole

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Number of deaths on:
safaris-0
space mountain-0
splash mountain-0
haunted mansion-0
indy speedway-0
MS-2
If Disney had made a multi-million dollar mistake, don't you think they would do whatever it takes to cover it up?
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Someone recently got very hurt on the Peter Pan ride. Should Disney shut that ride down as well? I believe a kid has died on Space Mountain as well if I'm remembering correctly.
 

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