Not good but saw it coming

[Glasgow]

I posted last night, didn't post or read this thread all day. I come home from work, have dinner, now I am set to read some Disney fan boards and I click on here.. And WOW!!!!! 27 pages of arguing over such a terrible incident.. Last night, I do believe I said I did not like MS and would hope they closed it now. I admit, I posted that with a heavy heart after reading this news...

Now that I have read both sides, no one here makes sense... What ever side you are on.... Everyone is spinning things to back up their argument... None of you are right, and none of you are wrong.. Except Dimebag there... Dude, no offense, but you really need to look up info before posting....

My observations: Majority of you blast people who go on this ride and do not heed the signs. The signs are warning signs for those people who know they have a medical condition that this ride could kick up. But, we need to remember a lot of people have conditions that they do not know about, and this ride can aggravate them causing sickness or death. Not the person's fault. I would not hold Disney responsible either because they cannot screen their guests' health issues.

The minority on this board is calling for the ride to be shut down. Maybe you have a point about the ride being unsafe. But you may not either. Of course, you spin things to fit your point of view. Which is fine, but you are not right nor are you wrong.

The public will eventually have the final say. If people start getting scared to ride MS, then the lines will be JIYI length and Disney would be forced into looking for a change. If the ride stays popular and pulls in huge crowds, the ride stays. Not saying Disney won't tweak something here or there because of these deaths, but the public will determine the fate of this ride, not anyone on this board.

My opinion hasn't changed about the ride itself. I still do not care for it. My choice is not to ride it when I visit WDW. But I am allowed to feel this way. And for those of you who do like the ride and want to ride it, enjoy it for all it is worth. I am not looking for Disney to close the ride. I actually hate when they do close rides cause we all know what would happen. That building would stay dormant for years. And then everyone would complain about that.

Staying away all day from this thread helped me cool down before I argued nonsense like a lot of these other posts. I suggest everyone else do the same. Hopefully cooler heads prevail. I know in my case it did.

I agree 100% percent here. Perhaps no one is at fault -- the public will determine the fate of the ride. If people like it enough to take "the chance" of being sick or dying, then they will ride it .. otherwise, it will be closed.

Again, take note ... Perhaps NO ONE is at fault here. You can die doing just about anything in life, statistically speaking -- that's not really the issue any more. The question is, will people still enjoy and participate in the ride irregardless of the bad press

 

[peter11435]

The question is, will people still enjoy and participate in the ride irregardless of the bad press

Based on the wait time the attraction had today I would say the public is still going to ride M:S.

 

[dxwwf3]

But in all fairness, I doubt many of the people today knew about the incident. I know when I'm at WDW I don't know too much about what's going on in the world. If the wait times continue tomorrow and the day after, then we'll know for sure.

 

[mousermerf]

Wait times will go up at all attractions over the weekend - Easter is busier than most normal days, only July 4th and NYE match it for guest counts.

 

[GothMickey]

Wait times will go up at all attractions over the weekend - Easter is busier than most normal days, only July 4th and NYE match it for guest counts.

Therefore this is not a fair weekend to judge.... Let's see what happens when the busy season ends and Soaring is 120 minutes and M:S is 10 minutes.

 

[peter11435]

But in all fairness, I doubt many of the people today knew about the incident. I know when I'm at WDW I don't know too much about what's going on in the world. If the wait times continue tomorrow and the day after, then we'll know for sure.

Thats true. Although I did overhear many people talking about it.

 

[dxwwf3]

Thats true. Although I did overhear many people talking about it.

Right. But I expect that the results will be very similar over the next few days, but still it will be interesting to see if that does happen. If the attendence does drop off quite a bit though......that would be a pretty good indicator.

 

[Pongo]

Therefore this is not a fair weekend to judge.... Let's see what happens when the busy season ends and Soaring is 120 minutes and M:S is 10 minutes.

I don't think that will be the case.

 

[dxwwf3]

I don't think that will be the case.

Well I saw similar stats this summer and during the middle of December, but I think a lot of that had to do with Soarin's newness + the amount of people in the parks and most importantly + M:S's capacity.

 

[GothMickey]

I don't think that will be the case.

Wasn't that the case during off season? Soarin was 120 and M:S was 10? Soarin's time may die down a bit but I do not believe M:S will pick up. I was there in October and my memory serves me the wait times was only 10 minutes for M:S.

And in your defense, it may not be the case cause the summer is coming up which will inflate wait times drastically as well... But if M:S, during busy season, continues to have wait times f 60 min plus... then the public would obviously not be afraid of the ride and not avoiding it... Which is fine... More power to them... But we will more than likely, not saying 100 percent for sure, just more than likely hear about more illnesses caused by the ride.. Hopefully there will be no more deaths....

 

[Captain Chaos]

This posting is absolutly true...if u dont believe you can read the article at www.orlandosentinal.com those facts come right from the sight

i have been on it..it is a really good ride... i am srry to the family and give them my condlance, but its not at all disney's fault...they have at least 20 signs posted outside and in the que area wraning about problems that this ride can cause. I was at school today and peopel were like oh they should sue, they should sue and shut the ride down. They have no right to say that they should sue becuase they autopsy showed that she had blood pressure problems. the ride blows air to feel pressure and will cuase breathign to get harder.

The idea of it being closed it just down right stupid. This is a big ride for disney. If they were to close they would be losing alot of visitors of want to ride this ride. KEEP it open... it is a good ride...peopel should know there limits.

Which side are you on here? You agree with Mousemerf's post but then you make your post sound that it is no big deal. Those numbers in Mousemerf's post are eye popping.. 1 person every how many days on the average? That is a lot.

 

[Pongo]

Wasn't that the case during off season? Soarin was 120 and M:S was 10? Soarin's time may die down a bit but I do not believe M:S will pick up. I was there in October and my memory serves me the wait times was only 10 minutes for M:S.

And in your defense, it may not be the case cause the summer is coming up which will inflate wait times drastically as well... But if M:S, during busy season, continues to have wait times f 60 min plus... then the public would obviously not be afraid of the ride and not avoiding it... Which is fine... More power to them... But we will more than likely, not saying 100 percent for sure, just more than likely hear about more illnesses caused by the ride.. Hopefully there will be no more deaths....

Yeah, no one can know what the wait times will be until the crowds level off to their normal levels. From here on out it's just a waiting game.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I agree 100% percent here. Perhaps no one is at fault -- the public will determine the fate of the ride. If people like it enough to take "the chance" of being sick or dying, then they will ride it .. otherwise, it will be closed.

Again, take note ... Perhaps NO ONE is at fault here. You can die doing just about anything in life, statistically speaking -- that's not really the issue any more. The question is, will people still enjoy and participate in the ride irregardless of the bad press

Thank you Glasgow, but I highly doubt this will end the debate. Oi vey... Did I spell that right?

 

[dxwwf3]

Yeah, no one can know what the wait times will be until the crowds level off to their normal levels. From here on out it's just a waiting game.

Exactly. And even then, wait times ARE NOT good indicators of what people think about an attraction after they get off of it. And heck even wait times can't tell you how many people are going into an attraction when you've got that kind of capacity.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yeah, no one can know what the wait times will be until the crowds level off to their normal levels. From here on out it's just a waiting game.

Great post. This summer will tell how well the ride is perceived. I expect wait times this weekend to be high too. But after the weekend, I expect them to drop drastically. Then we will see what happens in the summer. The only question I have is, if this ride is so popular and well recieved still, why is TT always over an hour and Soarin nears 2 hours, yet M:S is or was 10 minutes? I didn't even go on TT last year because the wait time was 100 minutes.. Soaring was at 120 and Mission Space, 5... That is an indicator of how popular the attraction is.. This was in October during the halloween celebration. If M:S was still that popular, don't you think that the wait time would have been higher? Not saying 100 minutes, but I would expect at least 30-45 minutes. But this is just me, not a scientific proof.

 

[cameraguy]

First off my prares are with the victim and he family. Nobody should have to go through that especiall in a magical place like WDW.

In my honest opinion I don't think anybody can be blamed for this herific tragedy. Disney does give you excessive warnings while in line and during the pre-show. I went on Mission:Space two weeks after the first tragedy and pretty nervouse about it and made it a point to count how many warning signs their were and I counted 17 if I remeber correctly. I did get even more nervous when the CM who was working the line I was talking to said he was to affraid to go on the ride. But I liked the ride and ended up going on it twice. I think that Disney should tweek the ride to make it less intense. Also people do need to use casuion when deciding to ride or not. If the death was caused by a preexcisiting problem that was trigared by the ride that isn't anybodies fault.

Also I agree with Glasgow. People can die doing just about anything, and nobody can control that.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Exactly. And even then, wait times ARE NOT good indicators of what people think about an attraction after they get off of it. And heck even wait times can't tell you how many people are going into an attraction when you've got that kind of capacity.

True, didn't think about ride capacity. Again, the public will determine the ride's fate, not my opinions or anyone on this board. Only the attendance figures for the ride itself.

Guys, after reading the posts, something dawned on me... Dimebag sounds familiar... And I am not talking about the guitarist from Pantera. The posting style is similar, where did I see that before......

 

[MacDuffieMuppet]

Srry dxer07002 I only meant to quote the first part of his posting. 143 people out of 8.6bil went to the hospital after riding before the 4yo died.
In terms of riders, that's one every 60,139 rides.thats not enough to close the ride if you want to close a ride it has to be a ligitmate daily problem...maybe if people stopped tryign to be mr/mrs invincible than they wouldnt get themselves hurt trying to impress one another.yes there are minor accidents...this is what only the second or third? there have been two deaths on big thunder railroad but is there any posting saying that we should close that?????

 

[MickeyTigg]

Just wanted to note...

143 people out of 8.6bil went to the hospital after riding before the 4yo died.

In terms of riders, that's one every 60,139 rides. So that means one every 4-5 days. Or, if you'd rather compare it in terms of time.. The ride was open for roughly 2 years before the 4yo died. 52 weeks times 2.. divided by 143.. times the number of days in a week.. equal 5.

Someone goes to the hospital from M:S roughly every 5 days.

I think that's a bit excessive..

Interesting Merf....where are you getting your information from? According to a report just on CNN, they claim only 12 people have been sent to the hospital since the ride openned, including the two deaths.

Also....if anyone should be upset at Disney is would be the woman's family....and guess what...they aren't. They have said that the woman hadn't been feeling well prior to the ride.

 

[dxwwf3]

Again, the public will determine the ride's fate, not my opinions or anyone on this board. Only the attendance figures for the ride itself.

Well I certainly think attendance isn't the only factor in determining an attraction's fate, but you are right that the public will more than likely make the decision about its fate.