WDWFigment
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Ah, I thought that was new when I saw it the other week. Got some photos of it, it looks great!
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Ah, I thought that was new when I saw it the other week. Got some photos of it, it looks great!
janoimagine
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Hope so, I did stop into Guest Relations and tell them how much I liked them. Martin, am I crazy or are the twinkling multicolor LED's in the trees during the celebration portion of ROE new? As well as the dancing color washes during celebration on the exteriors of the country pavilions new?
janoimagine
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Its funny I think I actualy saw you shooting the pavilion from the monorail the night you were taking those ... I wanted to try and catch up to introduce myself, but by the time I made my way back ... stopping to shoot along the way, but you were long gone.
SMRT-1
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please post! your pictures are fantastic!!
I can`t say I noticed any tree lights. I was busy I admit looking at other effects. The dancing colours however are not new. They just don`t work all the time!
JeffH
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More than Fantasmic, Muppet Vision 3D has been broke for a week now
We went to see Muppet Vision 3D yesterday and found the entire penguin orchestra raised above the stage the whole show which interfered-with/distracted-from the 3D effect (especially from the front row).
On the way out I asked about it and she was surprised I knew better then when I asked how long it's been broke and she said about a week...
weak...
Glad we skipped Fantasmic and instead I enjoyed seeing Nova Era perform several 40 minute sets in front of the paddlewheel on Pleasure Island Downtown Disney.
We went to see Muppet Vision 3D yesterday and found the entire penguin orchestra raised above the stage the whole show which interfered-with/distracted-from the 3D effect (especially from the front row).
On the way out I asked about it and she was surprised I knew better then when I asked how long it's been broke and she said about a week...
weak...
Glad we skipped Fantasmic and instead I enjoyed seeing Nova Era perform several 40 minute sets in front of the paddlewheel on Pleasure Island Downtown Disney.
janoimagine
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Ahh ... thank you ... they looked really good ... glad that I was able to see them work finally ... and it only took about 30 shows.
FYI I'm pretty sure I saw you on October 5th at Epcot ... just between Mission Space and the Old Wonders of Life Pavilion about mid afternoon ... I was going to say something but didnt want to come across as a stalker, I recognized you by the Mickey tatoo :lol: ... thanks for all the info, it's much appreciated.
^ October 5th? Probably lurking by the FW east smoking area? Very possible me and some friends. You shoulda come and said hi! And you're welcome :wave:
Regarding Muppetvisions static band platform, shame. It's been like that for at least 3 weeks now. And I agree it really interferes with the film effect..
Regarding Muppetvisions static band platform, shame. It's been like that for at least 3 weeks now. And I agree it really interferes with the film effect..
Pioneer Hall
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The Muppets need a refurb in the worst way. I was hoping it would have been done prior to the movie release, but it obviously won't be. Hopefully soon though.
janoimagine
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Yup, that was the spot ... you were carying a Silver HD Cam ... I told my wife, I think thats Martin Smith?!? She told me I should say hi, but as one artist to another I was a bit intimidated :lol: ... I was walking around with my backpack and had my Canon 50D strapped to my hand. Small world. Next time I will.
When we saw the Muppets, not only was the penguin band up, but the curtains were open on Bean's side and Waldorf and Statlers side with the non-moving AA's, it was a bit odd, and a couple of the firework effects were frozen above. Not good show at all, we said something to Guest Relations on the way out, but the way Guest Relations looked, with trash on the floor and dirty carpet, I am not sure the message went anywhere.
WDWFigment
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There's one in my latest trip report post. If I have time later, I'll post the others.
SMRT-1
Active Member
awesome man. thanks
jt04
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Since everyone seems to think the WDW of 2011 should be exactly as the WDW of 1971 I have decided to list what has changed to make that an impossibility. This is not to excuse poor maintenance plans by management or workers who may not be meeting their responsibilities or any other kinds of finger pointing. It is just a chance to pan back so we are not always discussing this topic in absurdly simplistic ways. So here we go. This is by no means a complete list nor in any particular order.
Early WDW did not have to do as exhaustive expensive enviromental studies to add anything new as they do now. There goes an E Ticket that might have been.
Early WDW was not populated by guests who have made litigation a career choice. Not to say it was never a problem but nothing like we find in this day and age. This of course leads to increased insurance costs, costlier ride development and safety considerations which are all expensive. There goes another attraction.
Rising employee insurance rates which have effected essentially everyone. Rebuild River Country? Not likely under these circumstances.
Increased competition that continues to accelerate. Rather than being able to grow WDW in a slow more deliberate and higher quality way, competition may have caused WDW to grow their parks too fast which diluted the product. This may be the biggest problem WDW faces. If they can overcome this issue then skies the limit.
Early WDW was not used to fix other divisions which it does now and that has slowed quality growth. I think this opened the door to the 'walmarting' of the resort some complain about.
Too many layers of management due to overreacting to the competion. Fix Future World? Not without a reorginization (which may have happened)
Early WDW had little organized labor but uncontrolled growth changed that possibly by necessity. Staying neutral here but this has certainly effected the rate at which the parks will be filled out. Four full day parks? Not for awhile.
Declining dollar and rising energy costs. What a dollar bought in 1971 ain't the same as 2011. Really nothing can be added. The average guest has less money in real spending power. 5th Gate? Not without unleashing good old-fashioned growth policies as part of the larger economy. Fact.
Guest expectations in 1971 vs 2011. The MK was not all that special back then compared to now. But expectations were so much different that it dazzled guests. That gets tougher and tougher to do. Doubt me? Look at the budgets for Carsland and Avatarland.
So, just claiming management is the problem is just misinformed or terribly narrow-minded. I could add to this list as I am sure others could and hopefully will. I think I have made the case that the issue is exceedingly complex and not just about an occasional case of bad show due to stockholder "greed".
Early WDW did not have to do as exhaustive expensive enviromental studies to add anything new as they do now. There goes an E Ticket that might have been.
Early WDW was not populated by guests who have made litigation a career choice. Not to say it was never a problem but nothing like we find in this day and age. This of course leads to increased insurance costs, costlier ride development and safety considerations which are all expensive. There goes another attraction.
Rising employee insurance rates which have effected essentially everyone. Rebuild River Country? Not likely under these circumstances.
Increased competition that continues to accelerate. Rather than being able to grow WDW in a slow more deliberate and higher quality way, competition may have caused WDW to grow their parks too fast which diluted the product. This may be the biggest problem WDW faces. If they can overcome this issue then skies the limit.
Early WDW was not used to fix other divisions which it does now and that has slowed quality growth. I think this opened the door to the 'walmarting' of the resort some complain about.
Too many layers of management due to overreacting to the competion. Fix Future World? Not without a reorginization (which may have happened)
Early WDW had little organized labor but uncontrolled growth changed that possibly by necessity. Staying neutral here but this has certainly effected the rate at which the parks will be filled out. Four full day parks? Not for awhile.
Declining dollar and rising energy costs. What a dollar bought in 1971 ain't the same as 2011. Really nothing can be added. The average guest has less money in real spending power. 5th Gate? Not without unleashing good old-fashioned growth policies as part of the larger economy. Fact.
Guest expectations in 1971 vs 2011. The MK was not all that special back then compared to now. But expectations were so much different that it dazzled guests. That gets tougher and tougher to do. Doubt me? Look at the budgets for Carsland and Avatarland.
So, just claiming management is the problem is just misinformed or terribly narrow-minded. I could add to this list as I am sure others could and hopefully will. I think I have made the case that the issue is exceedingly complex and not just about an occasional case of bad show due to stockholder "greed".
TP2000
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The Duck
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You make many valid points. Too many of us are quick to use the old familiar battle cries of "Corporate greed", "Mismanagement" and the ever popular, "It's Meg's fault". Of course, all of the above could easily be applied from time to time but we need to remember that there's other facets at play in the day-to-day management of WDW that most of us aren't aware of and there's always at least 2 sides to each story. In spite of the slump that we've seen in recent years, I can't help but feel optimistic about the future.
TheDisneyMagic
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Slightly more than three weeks, we were there from early July through Mid August and they were in that position the entire time on every visit.
PhilharMagician
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Last night the first showing of Fantasmic @ 7:30 was horrible. The show timing was just off, and I mean off. Most noticable was the timing of all the boats. It startyed with the Rafiki and monkeys barges. They were still out in fron of the show scenes when the scenes changed, so they were only about 2/3 oround the stage before the scene change. The canoes were about the same withthe timing and the torches were on and off. The Princess barges were way off. They came out late and when the scenes changed they were not even 1/2 way across in front of the stage.
Not long ago I would have blamed the timing problems on the infrequency of the show, but it has been running nightly for a while now.
I have not seen the show in about 3 years. Even with the problems it was nice to see the show. On the other hand it was depressing seeing the issues with the production.
Not long ago I would have blamed the timing problems on the infrequency of the show, but it has been running nightly for a while now.
I have not seen the show in about 3 years. Even with the problems it was nice to see the show. On the other hand it was depressing seeing the issues with the production.
jt04
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Thanks! I know it seems at times all I do is carry water for management but it really is just a response to the oversimplistic take some have on why things are the way they are.
You summed up the point I was attempting to make perfectly.