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PeoplemoverTTA

PeoplemoverTTA

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JeffH said:
We went to see Muppet Vision 3D yesterday and found the entire penguin orchestra raised above the stage the whole show which interfered-with/distracted-from the 3D effect (especially from the front row).
On the way out I asked about it and she was surprised I knew better then when I asked how long it's been broke and she said about a week...
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marni1971 said:
Regarding Muppetvisions static band platform, shame. It's been like that for at least 3 weeks now. And I agree it really interferes with the film effect..
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janoimagine said:
When we saw the Muppets, not only was the penguin band up, but the curtains were open on Bean's side and Waldorf and Statlers side with the non-moving AA's, it was a bit odd, and a couple of the firework effects were frozen above. Not good show at all, we said something to Guest Relations on the way out, but the way Guest Relations looked, with trash on the floor and dirty carpet, I am not sure the message went anywhere.
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TheDisneyMagic said:
Slightly more than three weeks, we were there from early July through Mid August and they were in that position the entire time on every visit.
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I just want to chime in and agree with TheDisneyMagic that yes, Muppetvision has been in this horrible state since at least mid-August (I believe the first out of three shows I saw in August was on August 18). The orchestra issue, the frozen fireworks, and the stuck Waldorf and Statler were all present.

I'm glad the Swedish Chef is finally back, but I left feeling very sad.

As for Fantasmic, I noticed a few issues in August (I hadn't seen the show in at least 3-4 years), but it saddens me that a show that is considered by many the #1 nighttime spectacular on property is in such a state of disrepair. I'm hoping they don't prolong this poor show until January...seems like an emergency situation, imho.
 
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ptaylor

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Studios is in a poor star of repair right now. Muppets is being neglected, with the Penguins remaining in their up position for the entire show. As we know from this thread, Fantasmic! is a mess.

Dan Cockrell was brought in to repair the damage done by Carter, but so far, we are not seeing much in the way of results.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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jt04 said:
Since everyone seems to think the WDW of 2011 should be exactly as the WDW of 1971 I have decided to list what has changed to make that an impossibility. This is not to excuse poor maintenance plans by management or workers who may not be meeting their responsibilities or any other kinds of finger pointing. It is just a chance to pan back so we are not always discussing this topic in absurdly simplistic ways. So here we go. This is by no means a complete list nor in any particular order.

Early WDW did not have to do as exhaustive expensive enviromental studies to add anything new as they do now. There goes an E Ticket that might have been.

Early WDW was not populated by guests who have made litigation a career choice. Not to say it was never a problem but nothing like we find in this day and age. This of course leads to increased insurance costs, costlier ride development and safety considerations which are all expensive. There goes another attraction.

Rising employee insurance rates which have effected essentially everyone. Rebuild River Country? Not likely under these circumstances.

Increased competition that continues to accelerate. Rather than being able to grow WDW in a slow more deliberate and higher quality way, competition may have caused WDW to grow their parks too fast which diluted the product. This may be the biggest problem WDW faces. If they can overcome this issue then skies the limit.

Early WDW was not used to fix other divisions which it does now and that has slowed quality growth. I think this opened the door to the 'walmarting' of the resort some complain about.

Too many layers of management due to overreacting to the competion. Fix Future World? Not without a reorginization (which may have happened)

Early WDW had little organized labor but uncontrolled growth changed that possibly by necessity. Staying neutral here but this has certainly effected the rate at which the parks will be filled out. Four full day parks? Not for awhile.

Declining dollar and rising energy costs. What a dollar bought in 1971 ain't the same as 2011. Really nothing can be added. The average guest has less money in real spending power. 5th Gate? Not without unleashing good old-fashioned growth policies as part of the larger economy. Fact.

Guest expectations in 1971 vs 2011. The MK was not all that special back then compared to now. But expectations were so much different that it dazzled guests. That gets tougher and tougher to do. Doubt me? Look at the budgets for Carsland and Avatarland.

So, just claiming management is the problem is just misinformed or terribly narrow-minded. I could add to this list as I am sure others could and hopefully will. I think I have made the case that the issue is exceedingly complex and not just about an occasional case of bad show due to stockholder "greed".
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I am sure Disney management faces many challenges.


But that's none of my problem. I am not into charity. If I pay you top dollar for a premium product, then I am not interested in the excuses why you can't deliver. None of my problem.
If I pay you to fix my plumbing, then you fix my plumbing, period. You do not bore me with sob stories about how difficult it is to be a plumber nowadays and how you can't deliver but that you will take my money regardless. Uh-uh, nope.
 
janoimagine

janoimagine

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I just got an email survey from Disney Research and the topic is ... 'How would you rate Disney Hollywood Studios on your recent trip?' ... this ought to be fun. :D
 
mm52200

mm52200

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Seriously how does this even become a problem??? They literally have all day everyday in that stadium to work on things and repair. No guests are there during the day, they should be working on fixing that lift almost 24/7. They could literally do all kinds of work during the day...I guess they don't.
 
jt04

jt04

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Empress Lilly said:
I am sure Disney management faces many challenges.


But that's none of my problem. I am not into charity. If I pay you top dollar for a premium product, then I am not interested in the excuses why you can't deliver. None of my problem.
If I pay you to fix my plumbing, then you fix my plumbing, period. You do not bore me with sob stories about how difficult it is to be a plumber nowadays and how you can't deliver but that you will take my money regardless. Uh-uh, nope.
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No argument here. My point was that these issues can not be explained away by simple talking points by some on this forum or tired cliches purposely used to manipulate the uninformed.

I think Disney should get more agressive in fixing these problems no matter what it takes. Everything should be on the table such as closing Fantasmic and installing something more state-of-the-art and reliable.

Of course it is obvious the MK is in much better shape than it was when Iger took over so they are moving in the right direction. It would be nice though if the reforms could happen faster.
 
GLaDOS

GLaDOS

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jt04 said:
Of course it is obvious the MK is in much better shape than it was when Iger took over.
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In some ways, this is true. In others, it's not. Main Street and other facades through out the park have received quite a bit of love, true.

But ride quality has taken a severe step back in the past year. And staffing issues will keep it that way for the foreseeable future.
 
Hakunamatata

Hakunamatata

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Empress Lilly said:
I am sure Disney management faces many challenges.


But that's none of my problem. I am not into charity. If I pay you top dollar for a premium product, then I am not interested in the excuses why you can't deliver. None of my problem.
If I pay you to fix my plumbing, then you fix my plumbing, period. You do not bore me with sob stories about how difficult it is to be a plumber nowadays and how you can't deliver but that you will take my money regardless. Uh-uh, nope.
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Funny, I have had that conversation with many of an employee. Seems like its ok to demand perfection and 110% from the company, but when it comes time to do the job you are paid for, there is an excuse a lot of the time. Go figure.
 
spaceghost

spaceghost

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Sorry if this has been mentioned up-thread, but thought I'd bring it up. Let me first off state that this is not a defense of Disney or TDO as the current conditions are not good, to say the least. But, I am wondering if this situation is maybe part of the reason why the Fantasmic performances were scaled back prior to this past summer? Maybe they knew the condition of the equipment in question here and that repeated daily use would lead them to need to do a significant refurb sooner, so it was put off? Just spit-balling, but it seems like they may have been biding their time (plus saving $$, of course). This is all at the guest's expense however...
 
janoimagine

janoimagine

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NoChesterHester said:
Soooo. Any nuggets from the survey?
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It was a how would you rate your visit to Disneys Hollywood Studios survey, guest satisfaction, how happy are you with shopping, food and beverage, fast pass, wait times, OVERALL UPKEEP OF THE PARK AND ITS ATTRACTIONS.

I made my list ... both positive and negative of things that I noticed, explained my case and experiences ... but my top two complaints were Fantasmic! and Muppetvision 3D. There were a few more questions about Security (which was odd) and about weather and crowds ... and whether or not I would recommend the park to a friend.

:shrug:
 
drew81

drew81

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If this has been posted earlier, I apologize. I haven't read the whole thread. The lift won't be fixed anytime soom. They have come up with a contingency plan and Mickey will be on the downstage during the sorcerer part.
 
TheDisneyMagic

TheDisneyMagic

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drew81 said:
If this has been posted earlier, I apologize. I haven't read the whole thread. The lift won't be fixed anytime soom. They have come up with a contingency plan and Mickey will be on the downstage during the sorcerer part.
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Shocking, how comes it won't be repaired? :eek:
 

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