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wannabeBelle

Well-Known Member
I think a lot of the dislike stems from the fact that table service restaurants before the dining plan grouping we have currently offered more variety, were generally considered a better value ( if paying out of pocket) and you could walk up and get seated without making a reservation prior. Marie
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Not sour -- just not "wasting" money on a resort that's already showing high tourist attendance and spending. That's the MBA way...
I think Disney sees growth in WDW, considering they were lauding the success of Pandora in a recent earnings call. As Martin has pointed out, Epcot has been losing attendance for quite a while.

I understand there are bigger fish to fry, but WDW isn't all rosy financially either.
 

SteamboatJoe

Well-Known Member
- Skipper Canteen gets rave reviews here and from guests regularly. It's sort of an answer to people who think the MK is just a place to get hot dogs & hamburgers -- "here's an entire fried fish!". Many dishes are the same thing you'll find at Tiffins for nearly twice the price.
- Liberty Tree Tavern is extremely popular and an excellent option for either lunch or dinner.
- BOG is, well, BOG. Still so popular that it's hard to get into.
- Tony's continues to be a solid Italian spot.
- Crystal Palace has a popular breakfast as well as buffet with character dining for the kids.
- Pecos Bill's keeps diversifying their menu. Their crispy cauliflower tacos were surprisingly the best quick service meal I had there on my trip.
- Want a fast meal? I'm not sure if Cosmic Ray's is still on the books as the busiest restaurant on earth, but it certainly churns through a ton of guests every day.

I'm sure there's plenty of others I'm forgetting, but the point is that there's really no shortage of good dining options at the park these days.

I really enjoyed Skipper Canteen. Can't stand the people who complain about the more eclectic offerings. Not everything needs to appeal to the tastes of a picky 9 year old. Same goes for Tusker House and most of the restaurants in World Showcase. Le Cellier was fantastic.

Crystal Palace, Columbia Harbor House, and Pecos Bill's are all good. I didn't think Cosmic Ray's isn't offensive for a quick meal. Its better than the hot dog stand underneath Astro Oribiter. Tortuga Tavern was really good when I had BBQ there a few years ago but the menu has changed a couple times since.

The only Disney table service restaurants I have found myself thinking the food was just plain not good were Diamond Horseshoe and Hollywood & Vine.

I would say Be Our Guest and Royal Table are average. I probably wouldn't frequent them again without a free dining plan promo.
 

Otterhead

Well-Known Member
The only Disney table service restaurants I have found myself thinking the food was just plain not good were Diamond Horseshoe and Hollywood & Vine.
Hollywood & Vine is over at DHS, so I didn't include it here (it's my least favorite buffet at the parks, wasn't a fan), and I agree that Diamond Horseshoe isn't great -- but it's only a seasonal offering and has always seemed like "filler" to me.

My last meal at Royal Table was most definitely above average -- terrific lamb chops -- but it's been about 5 years since I've been.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I understand there are bigger fish to fry, but WDW isn't all rosy financially either.

o_O

"Parks and Resorts revenues for the quarter increased 13% to $5.2 billion and segment operating income increased 21% to $1.3 billion. Operating income growth for the quarter was due to increases at our domestic parks and resorts, cruise line and vacation club businesses as well as at Disneyland Paris. Domestic results benefited from the comparison to the impact of Hurricane Matthew, which occurred in the prior-year quarter.

Higher operating income at our domestic parks and resorts was driven by guest spending growth and an increase in attendance, partially offset by higher costs. Guest spending growth was due to higher average ticket prices, food, beverage and merchandise spending and average daily hotel room rates."

That's not "rosy"?
 

Stripes

Premium Member
o_O

"Parks and Resorts revenues for the quarter increased 13% to $5.2 billion and segment operating income increased 21% to $1.3 billion. Operating income growth for the quarter was due to increases at our domestic parks and resorts, cruise line and vacation club businesses as well as at Disneyland Paris. Domestic results benefited from the comparison to the impact of Hurricane Matthew, which occurred in the prior-year quarter.

Higher operating income at our domestic parks and resorts was driven by guest spending growth and an increase in attendance, partially offset by higher costs. Guest spending growth was due to higher average ticket prices, food, beverage and merchandise spending and average daily hotel room rates."

That's not "rosy"?
I wasn't arguing that the parks aren't doing well. They're booming. But, if investments don't continue that will cease to be the case. With other sectors of the company failing to produce growth, Disney sees the parks as a way to pick up the slack. P&R was the saving grace last quarter. Sorry for the confusion.
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
- Skipper Canteen gets rave reviews here and from guests regularly. It's sort of an answer to people who think the MK is just a place to get hot dogs & hamburgers -- "here's an entire fried fish!". Many dishes are the same thing you'll find at Tiffins for nearly twice the price.
- Liberty Tree Tavern is extremely popular and an excellent option for either lunch or dinner.
- BOG is, well, BOG. Still so popular that it's hard to get into.
- Tony's continues to be a solid Italian spot.
- Crystal Palace has a popular breakfast as well as buffet with character dining for the kids.
- Pecos Bill's keeps diversifying their menu. Their crispy cauliflower tacos were surprisingly the best quick service meal I had there on my trip.
- Want a fast meal? I'm not sure if Cosmic Ray's is still on the books as the busiest restaurant on earth, but it certainly churns through a ton of guests every day.

I'm sure there's plenty of others I'm forgetting, but the point is that there's really no shortage of good dining options at the park these days.
Sorry, have to disagree with you on most of that, and I’ve eaten at all of them multiple times except for only once at Skipper. The fact that you included Tony’s and Cosmic Ray’s makes me question your seriousness and/or taste buds, might want to get those checked out. 😏
 

Otterhead

Well-Known Member
Sorry, have to disagree with you on most of that, and I’ve eaten at all of them multiple times except for only once at Skipper. The fact that you included Tony’s and Cosmic Ray’s makes me question your seriousness and/or taste buds, might want to get those checked out. 😏
Everyone's experiences are different; sounds like you had a weirdly poor experience at most of these restaurants -- guess you have bad luck. Note that I didn't say that Cosmic Ray's was great food, but that it's one of the busiest quick-service restaurants in the entire world, so they're clearly doing something right for most people!
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
Everyone's experiences are different; sounds like you had a weirdly poor experience at most of these restaurants -- guess you have bad luck. Note that I didn't say that Cosmic Ray's was great food, but that it's one of the busiest quick-service restaurants in the entire world, so they're clearly doing something right for most people!
Popularity doesn’t necessarily mean anything, there are plenty of guests dining for the first (and possibly last) time at these places. From reading this thread and others through the years, I think your experiences might be stranger than mine. For me it was more forgivable when prices were more reasonable.
 

Disnutz311

Disney World Purist
I really enjoyed Skipper Canteen. Can't stand the people who complain about the more eclectic offerings. Not everything needs to appeal to the tastes of a picky 9 year old. Same goes for Tusker House and most of the restaurants in World Showcase. Le Cellier was fantastic.

Crystal Palace, Columbia Harbor House, and Pecos Bill's are all good. I didn't think Cosmic Ray's isn't offensive for a quick meal. Its better than the hot dog stand underneath Astro Oribiter. Tortuga Tavern was really good when I had BBQ there a few years ago but the menu has changed a couple times since.

The only Disney table service restaurants I have found myself thinking the food was just plain not good were Diamond Horseshoe and Hollywood & Vine.

I would say Be Our Guest and Royal Table are average. I probably wouldn't frequent them again without a free dining plan promo.

I agree with a lot of these points. We have a good discussion about Food & Beverage going on in the restaurant and dining forum. Majority of people are saying DDP has killed dining quality at WDW. Feel free to jump on there as well.

“What’s wrong with Disney World Restaurants” is the thread...
 
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HauntedMansionFLA

Well-Known Member
o_O

"Parks and Resorts revenues for the quarter increased 13% to $5.2 billion and segment operating income increased 21% to $1.3 billion. Operating income growth for the quarter was due to increases at our domestic parks and resorts, cruise line and vacation club businesses as well as at Disneyland Paris. Domestic results benefited from the comparison to the impact of Hurricane Matthew, which occurred in the prior-year quarter.

Higher operating income at our domestic parks and resorts was driven by guest spending growth and an increase in attendance, partially offset by higher costs. Guest spending growth was due to higher average ticket prices, food, beverage and merchandise spending and average daily hotel room rates."

That's not "rosy"?
I guess the MagicBands are a success!!! They are really paying off now. Where’s Tom Staggs??
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I wasn't arguing that the parks aren't doing well. They're booming. But, if investments don't continue that will cease to be the case. With other sectors of the company failing to produce growth, Disney sees the parks as a way to pick up the slack. P&R was the saving grace last quarter. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries. :)

P&R have propped up other segments for years, and I see no signs that will change anytime soon. My fear is that after the 50th, we'll be looking at years more in line with Iger's first 5 years rather than the more recent ones in terms of theme park investment.
 

IveBeenJack

Well-Known Member
DSNY Jack generally sources his information properly. There should be no issue with that.

Thanks buddy! Some people just don't get that essentially what I'm doing with DSNY Newscast is acting as a sort of Philip DeFranco for Disney News, an aggregator of everything to do with The Walt Disney Company, as there is so much that happens, and a lot of people have trouble staying up to date.
 

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