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Jahona

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There are plenty of good, law-abiding gun owners in the United States. Somehow, mass shootings still happen, and the shooter is almost always brought down by law enforcement. The "good man with a gun" rhetoric is, quite frankly, a myth.

There are cases that show up at least once a month of a "good guy with a gun" stopping something or reacting to a scene before police respond. These aren't usually televised but the police reports of these situations do exist.
 

s8film40

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There are plenty of good, law-abiding gun owners in the United States. Somehow, mass shootings still happen, and the shooter is almost always brought down by law enforcement. The "good man with a gun" rhetoric is, quite frankly, a myth.
I'm not sure how this relates or belongs in this topic but just so this misinformation isn't spread without some further knowledge here's a link to a few examples. There are plenty more but I figured I would find something not too politically oriented.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.lyAp9av5Ak
 

Matt_Black

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So, out of the countless shootings in 2015 alone, you post an article of 9 incidents spanning nearly 20 years? That's supposed to prove what? That's like the guy at work who keeps going on about how great the Dallas Cowboys are, how they're SURE to go to the Super Bowl this year, and Tony Romo is bound for the Hall of Fame, all because the team won a few Super Bowls back in the '90s.
 

s8film40

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You mean those mass shootings at those "sure to stop gun crime from happening" gun free zones?
Actually after reading that article I posted it's kind of sad to think in how many of those situation the person had to run out to their car before being able to stop the situation. Seems to be a common thread in quite a few of those stories.
 

Tigger1988

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You mean those mass shootings at those "sure to stop gun crime from happening" gun free zones?
There was an armed vet on campus during that school shooting a month or two ago. At the "gun free zone" he said he purposely DIDN'T run into the classroom being shot up for fear police would shoot him dead.

People are going to carry in "gun free zones" if they want to. Means nothing if they're too scared to stop a shooting.
 

s8film40

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So, out of the countless shootings in 2015 alone, you post an article of 9 incidents spanning nearly 20 years? That's supposed to prove what? That's like the guy at work who keeps going on about how great the Dallas Cowboys are, how they're SURE to go to the Super Bowl this year, and Tony Romo is bound for the Hall of Fame, all because the team won a few Super Bowls back in the '90s.
That was just what I found in a 10 second search and it was the first thing that came up that wasn't too political, I skipped over quite a few. I believe you said it was a myth and never happened. It's worth noting that if anything like that happens it doesn't make for a very big news story so it doesn't get much exposure.

More importantly would you care to explain how it applies here. I really don't think we should drift any further off topic and into politics. I would love to personally, but it's not what they like around here.:)
 

draybook

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So, out of the countless shootings in 2015 alone, you post an article of 9 incidents spanning nearly 20 years? That's supposed to prove what? That's like the guy at work who keeps going on about how great the Dallas Cowboys are, how they're SURE to go to the Super Bowl this year, and Tony Romo is bound for the Hall of Fame, all because the team won a few Super Bowls back in the '90s.


I disagree with you about the gun issue, but your slamming of the Cowboys more than makes up for it!
 

Matt_Black

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There was an armed vet on campus during that school shooting a month or two ago. At the "gun free zone" he said he purposely DIDN'T run into the classroom being shot up for fear police would shoot him dead.

People are going to carry in "gun free zones" if they want to. Means nothing if they're too scared to stop a shooting.

Exactly. You don't fight fire with fire. Now, if you say that, every now and then someone will be pedantic and point out that sometimes firefighters do set fires to combat existing fires. HOWEVER, those are in very specific circumstances done according to very specific procedures by highly trained professionals. If you have a kitchen fire at home, DO NOT start setting more fires to put out the eggs you overcooked.
 

lazyboy97o

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There are plenty of good, law-abiding gun owners in the United States. Somehow, mass shootings still happen, and the shooter is almost always brought down by law enforcement. The "good man with a gun" rhetoric is, quite frankly, a myth.
A good many are brought down by themselves as mass shooters tend to be suicidal, a situation that isn't just immediately confronted even by law enforcement.
 

s8film40

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I'm saying the shooter, IF they need to be handled with guns, SHOULD be handled by highly trained professionals with guns.
I agree with that. Not sure what point that makes. I think and would hope in those situations that someone who isn't trained to handle that type of situation would act carefully and responsibly. Given a life or death situation I would gladly take someone with some training though. If I'm lying on the ground dying of a heart attack and there's only a high school kid who's a life guard I'll take him but of course would prefer a doctor, same applies here and of course there's potential to do more harm. You generally just have to hope for the best.
 

thehowiet

Wilson King of Prussia
That will arrive in 20 minutes.
Patience is a virtue. Better to be righteous than alive it seems.

To keep this on topic, has there been any rumblings about what a more permanent strategy might be? I mean, this can't be their idea of a long-term solution, right?

I'm going to see Phish in NYC on Saturday for the last night of their annual NYE run at Madison Square Garden. I received an email the other day stating that they will be using metal detectors at every entrance, something that I've never seen at a Phish show, even at high profile shows/venues like MSG. If any of you are familiar with the band and/or their fans then you know that the most lethal weapon you're likely to encounter with that crowd is a bong, so it appears that everyone/everywhere has stepped up their game as of lately.
 

draybook

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Has anyone heard anything concrete about the costume ruling? I got a call from the guy that had responded to my wife's email about it, but he "wants to talk about it". Funny how when you mention them losing your money they respond quickly and want to talk.
 

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