News New security measures

s8film40

Well-Known Member
I know by your comments that you're just playing devils advocate, but what you're suggesting is vigilantly justice. I'll let the authority handle the gun toting thank you very much. As for civilians bringing guns into a Disney park, I stand by them being as relevant as a snow thrower....dumb and not necessary. If the idea of gun toters is to bring a gun into Disney Parks in case "it goes down" (in the Happiest Place on Earth BTW) then there's bigger issues. If it indeed "goes down" I don't want civilians living the dream and playing hero as I shield my kids from ever Paul Blart out there, I'd rather the proper authorities take it.
I am not suggesting vigilante justice. I'm just stating the situation as it is, I only brought this up initially as it was my response to wondering why Disney would change a policy that gave people who are going to bring a gun with them anyways a safe option of storing it. The only reason I could see someone thinking this is a good change is someone who wants something bad to happen. Wether you believe a gun has a purpose at WDW or not really isn't relevant. I've personally seen "things go down" at the "happiest place on earth" and trust me you realize real quick there's no difference between WDW and you local Walmart in a bad area of town once that happens.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
And bringing a Gun into a Disney Theme Park, Constitution or not, is dumb, it benefits no one, and can only go wrong not right.
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Not that im advocating bringing guns into the park, but lets play out your "can only go wrong" scenario.

- Lets pretend a crazy person opens fire in the park on helpless civilians. You are standing on MSUSA and the shooter is about 50 feet away from you and starts heading in your direction. T

-The man next to you is an off duty police officer or ex military who is well trained in using his fire arm. He draws his weapon as you crouch behind a trash can and feel the moisture of your poop filled underwear pressing against your khaki shorts from your bowels relieving themselves due to your absolute fear of loosing your life. The off duty officer instructs his family take cover next to the smelly man by the trash can

-He proceeds to make his ay towards the shooter who is most likely not trained in any way and completely unaware there is a person flanking him.

-The officer gets within a few feet and fires a non-kill shot that disables the gunman who is quickly apprehended and will now have to answer for his insanity. All thats left for you to do is clean yourself up and go buy a pair of new khakis at Island Supply in Adventureland.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
If the idea of gun toters is to bring a gun into Disney Parks in case "it goes down" (in the Happiest Place on Earth BTW) then there's bigger issues
So your saying that a crazy person would not target Disney simply because its labelled "The Happiest Place on Earth"? Ill just go hang a sign outside my home that says that and then cancel my alarm services and tell the local authorities they can stop patrolling my area of town.
 

MrHappy

Well-Known Member
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Not that im advocating bringing guns into the park, but lets play out your "can only go wrong" scenario.

- Lets pretend a crazy person opens fire in the park on helpless civilians. You are standing on MSUSA and the shooter is about 50 feet away from you and starts heading in your direction. T

-The man next to you is an off duty police officer or ex military who is well trained in using his fire arm. He draws his weapon as you crouch behind a trash can and feel the moisture of your poop filled underwear pressing against your khaki shorts from your bowels relieving themselves due to your absolute fear of loosing your life. The off duty officer instructs his family take cover next to the smelly man by the trash can

-He proceeds to make his ay towards the shooter who is most likely not trained in any way and completely unaware there is a person flanking him.

-The officer gets within a few feet and fires a non-kill shot that disables the gunman who is quickly apprehended and will now have to answer for his insanity. All thats left for you to do is clean yourself up and go buy a pair of new khakis at Island Supply in Adventureland.
Point is that this crazy person wouldn't have a gun inside the park. Therefore super civilian hero wouldn't need one either.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
So your saying that a crazy person would not target Disney simply because its labelled "The Happiest Place on Earth"? Ill just go hang a sign outside my home that says that and then cancel my alarm services and tell the local authorities they can stop patrolling my area of town.
The funny thing is every time I've seen bad things happen at WDW someone inevitably shouts "hey stop this is Disney", it has never ever worked.

Since we're on the subject I thought I would share my own personal tips on what to do in these situations.

A. Move yourself away from the situation and don't assume it won't escalate.

B. Get help, again don't assume it won't escalate. Don't yell for security or find a CM, if you have a cell phone call 911, if you don't, find someone who does. Also don't assume the situation is resolved just because a CM or security is "taking care of it".
 

note2001

Well-Known Member
Why wouldn't a crazy person have a gun in the park?

Because they have the best security in the (Disney) world. ;)

Seriously though, Theme parks are not in the high risk category a jet loaded with fuel is. There is no need for TSA-style screenings to go on.
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Sounds like we're all on the same page here. We all know no one in their right mind would bring a weapon to Disney. We also know that Disney security in their right mind would not allow that weapon inside park gates if it did exist. However, like everything there is a small chance it could happen. The moon could crash into the earth too. Our children could stop breathing in the middle of the night. We can't go on living every day in fear of these off-chance occurrences. There is a word that is being forgotten more and more these days: trust. We can only trust in others to act sanely, and trust for those in charge to keep an eye out for potential issues and to stop them.

If the day comes that going to a them park becomes a dangerous option, you can bet I will no longer attend with my family. Whether or not these new security measures are all for show we may never know, and that is exactly as it should be.
 
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s8film40

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I thought this thread was about improving security, making it impossible to brings guns into the park. No?
This thread is about discussing the changes Disney has made to security. Disney hasn't come anywhere close to making it impossible to bring a gun into the park. In fact they haven't even put the slightest debt in deterring people from bringing a gun in let alone stopping them.

If Disney wants to make it difficult (not impossible) to bring guns in they will need something similar to what's at the airports. It seems like that is pretty much impossible to do without either completely ruining their business or costing them a fortune.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
I can see we're all on the same page here, we all know no one in their right mind would bring a weapon to Disney, we know Disney security in their right mind would not allow that weapon inside park gates if it did exist. However, like everything there is a small chance it could happen. The moon could crash into the earth too, our children could stop breathing in the middle of the night, but we can't go on living every day in fear of these off chance occurrences.
The things you are mentioning are not off chance occurrences, they happen on a daily basis. Plenty of people "in their right mind" bring guns into the park. Disney does allow weapons in the park because they know they can't stop it. I have zero doubt that with today being as busy as it is there are people walking through the parks right now with guns.

As you said the key factor is trust, we have to trust that most people aren't going to do bad things and that hopefully those who are armed will make the right decisions if something happens. Personally I'm okay with this, I know the odds of something bad happening are pretty low and that those who do choose to carry guns are usually the type to take the extra time and effort to get the training to know how to do the right thing. I'm not afraid and I choose not to go to the parks in fear. The security checks are an annoyance nothing more nothing less, but I understand it helps other people who don't have that trust I have suspend their belief that something bad could happen and enjoy the parks like I do.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
Yet they search my water bottle like I'm bringing in shots of Vodka for the kids to enjoy.
Seems like an endless loop of a topic. Thanks for the convo...I'm out.
That actually is probably the number one thing security accomplishes is keeping alcohol out. I've personally stood in the backstage bathroom and watched them bring in bottle after bottle to pour out. They probably pour out more alcohol than most liquor stores sell in a day.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
While I may not agree with the need, there is a valid reason why those who carry guns choose to do so at WDW. No one brings a gun to WDW hoping they will get a chance to use it. They bring it as a last resort defense in case something goes wrong.

That's what is so funny about the macho perception of those who are so fearful, timid, and scared that they feel the need to pack heat to go to a theme park. Like the guys that strap on an AK to go to Starbucks, who think they are asserting their masculinity and appear imposing, but actually are just letting everyone know what a fraidy-cat wuss they are that they can't face daily life without "protection".
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I know by your comments that you're just playing devils advocate, but what you're suggesting is vigilantly justice. I'll let the authority handle the gun toting thank you very much

Then your argument is that carrying a gun is not needed ANYWHERE where there is a normal police presence then. You're not making a new argument about why Disney is any different from any other public place. And therefore you're position is basically broken down into 'you don't need a gun on your person' -- which of course is a much bigger debate.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
That's what is so funny about the macho perception of those who are so fearful, timid, and scared that they feel the need to pack heat to go to a theme park. Like the guys that strap on an AK to go to Starbucks, who think they are asserting their masculinity and appear imposing, but actually are just letting everyone know what a fraidy-cat wuss they are that they can't face daily life without "protection".
There are a couple different types of people who carry guns. What you describe is certainly one of them but there are also the types that because they have the training and know how to use one correctly they feel that if they carry one and on the off chance something happens they can make a difference. These are the type of people who don't want you to suspect they are carrying a gun. These are the the type of people who don't want to just watch something happen and spend the rest of their lives thinking back on what they could have done and the lives they could have saved. To some people guns are cool and macho, to some they are scary and something to be afraid of and to some they are simply a tool used to do a job not a job that anybody wants to do but one that some people want to be prepared to do if the need arises.

Currently both of these types of people can enter the parks at WDW with guns, one is more likely to follow the "rules" than the other.
 

ParksAndPixels

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
I was curious, given the discussions here... Does WDW enhance security (in noticeable manner) further on NYE given the capacity crowds? I've never been to Disney on NYE.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
I was curious, given the discussions here... Does WDW enhance security (in noticeable manner) further on NYE given the capacity crowds? I've never been to Disney on NYE.
Probably a little in quantity just to match the crowds, the biggest focus on a day like today is crowd control.
 

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