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lobelia
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Too true except the ones getting paid to do so.
Although, my comment was tongue in cheek. I don't really care. I care what the patrol looks like about as much as I care about the color of the busses.
Having experienced this "First Hand" yesterday, I can assure you it was neither "Random" nor "Complete."
In fact, a strong case for discrimination could have been made yesterday with how I was "selected" (Hint, a guy pointing at you saying "you've been randomly selected" isn't random...)
Sadly however I feel less safer going to the parks knowing if I was a indeed a "real bad person" it would have been far to easy to walk thru that metal detection "illusion" with all manor of things that I shouldn't have.
As for reactions of folks around us, most people who were not selected, seemed to look over like "why is that person being screened? what have they done?" type of looks... not a look of "relief" that there safety is being thought of.
Though I won't be the one to file the lawsuit, I fear, it's going to happen... and most likely a bunch of faithful Disney guests will cut back on there trips due to this.
In fact, a strong case for discrimination could have been made yesterday with how I was "selected" (Hint, a guy pointing at you saying "you've been randomly selected" isn't random...)
Sadly however I feel less safer going to the parks knowing if I was a indeed a "real bad person" it would have been far to easy to walk thru that metal detection "illusion" with all manor of things that I shouldn't have.
As for reactions of folks around us, most people who were not selected, seemed to look over like "why is that person being screened? what have they done?" type of looks... not a look of "relief" that there safety is being thought of.
Though I won't be the one to file the lawsuit, I fear, it's going to happen... and most likely a bunch of faithful Disney guests will cut back on there trips due to this.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Seriously? Over-react much?
(when they point.. the selection is already made btw). The term would be 'sampling' - not everyone pulling straws.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Why - do you really go through security that infrequently that this process makes you feel exposed or singled out?
yoda_5729
Well-Known Member
Quick question, that I didn't see posted elsewhere....
Are large tripods now banned? I think I saw on a list that they were though "large" is somewhat vague. I was there recently with a tripod and no one said a thing, even when I went through security, as they simply looked it over. The one I had was bulky, but could be collapsed so it could fit in most backpacks, with a bit of the top poking out the top of the pack. The scanners were not in place then though, so I didn't know if things have changed in the last few weeks. Thank you, to anyone who responds.
Are large tripods now banned? I think I saw on a list that they were though "large" is somewhat vague. I was there recently with a tripod and no one said a thing, even when I went through security, as they simply looked it over. The one I had was bulky, but could be collapsed so it could fit in most backpacks, with a bit of the top poking out the top of the pack. The scanners were not in place then though, so I didn't know if things have changed in the last few weeks. Thank you, to anyone who responds.
donsullivan
Premium Member
No change with tripod rules at all since introduction of the new security measures.
So, you tell me.
Did the security CM have a secret pair of dice he was using to roll a random number, that "Selected" me? I sure didn't see it, when he pointed how was that selection made? Can you show me the method in which he was directed by to point at me? Or did he "Mentally Sample" me because I looked like the type who needed sampling?
Perhaps you see nothing wrong with being pointed at and "Sampled" but I for one, see everything wrong with it! The CM didn't "sample" me, he CHOSE me by pointing at me and saying "You've been randomly selected please step over there." I believe he said that because of my looks, there was nothing "random" about it. It's not much further to jump to assume I could easily say I was discriminated against and "sampled" because of my color / race / orientation / gender.
Oh please, your suggestion that someone doesn't have the right to feel exposed or singled out, because they do not go thru enough security checks is absurd! I guess with that logic, you'll be okay with my suggestion that all bathrooms must be usable by men / woman / children and all stall partitions removed so that everyone is fully exposed and thus, no one can be singled out.
s8film40
Well-Known Member
What type of major incident are you referring to?
Good question. Has there ever been an incident involving a guest bringing a gun into a park an opening fire...or a suspicious package left in the park that turned out to be a bomb...or even a disgruntled former cast member who returned and engaged in some sort of workplace violence...things like that.
note2001
Well-Known Member
We will never hear about such things if it is under Disney's control.
Right, but an attack inside the park would be very public very quickly.
I've never heard of any violent attack striking any of the Disney Parks, which either means that Disney security is fantastic, or incredibly lucky...or a combination of both. Which then begs the question - why have they increased security now? Is it for show, or have they actually received threats that warrant the change?
flynnibus
Premium Member
I guess some people just look to be offended....
You should listen to yourself. Being upset that you got picked to be screened... do you realize how insecure that makes you sound?
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s8film40
Well-Known Member
There have been plenty of incidents of bags being treated as bombs, in those cases the bomb squad has come in and destroyed them. I'm not really sure any of those have been real. There was the pipe bomb incident at DTD.
Oct 25, 2007 - A explosion in a Downtown Disney parking lot early Monday was blamed on a pipe bomb found in a trash can.
There were also these two hostage situations. I specifically remember the Boardwalk one, I remember driving past the Boardwalk and seeing all the satellite trucks. It was a pretty big news story at the time.
On September 12, 1992, a 37-year-old man entered Epcot after park closing and brandished a shotgun at three security guards, demanding to see his ex-girlfriend who worked at the park. He fired four blasts at the guards and took two of them hostage in a restroom near the Journey Into Imagination pavilion. As Orange County sheriff's deputies surrounded the area, the intruder released his hostages and emerged from the restroom with the shotgun held to his chest. After exchanging words with deputies, he put the gun to his head and fired. The man was pronounced dead on arrival at the Orlando Regional Medical Center. Investigators attributed his actions to a recent breakup with his long-time girlfriend.
On June 29, 2000, a waiter and a child were held hostage by the child's father in a hotel room over domestic issues. During the hostage situation, other guests were evacuated and given alternative accommodations in the resort. The man released the hostages and handed himself over to authorities in the early hours of June 30, 2000.
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s8film40
Well-Known Member
Your always going to hear about most of the big stuff, you can't really hide police reports. Disney used to be pretty good at keeping things quiet but with social media that's next to impossible now. Now if the Dole Whip machine in Adventureland runs out your going to hear about it, much less something serious.
Thanks! I hadn't heard about those incidents. I was actually on property the day before the pipe bomb incident...didn't even realize it.
That is exactly what I was asking about. Disney isn't impervious to these sorts of things. I wonder if the new security measures are in response to something, or just the company trying to be proactive.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Given all the theme parks on both coasts acted almost unilaterally at the same exact time... its not just coincidence and I doubt it was out of professional courtesy.
My guess is DHS said 'hey, this is what we think your minimum needs to be given your high profile' and Disney and Uni are kind of forced to comply else really increase their exposure for bad press and liability.
Imagine if something happened... and that evening the headline was "DHS warned Disney, but Disney did nothing" -- Doesn't matter how specific to the incident the warning was, it would be a PR nightmare.