News New Play Pavilion to replace Epcot's Wonders of Life

[Inspired Figment]

Making of Me theatre could’ve easily had the same treatment.. perhaps one of the alternate films could be a Soul themed one. It’s ‘that’ simple. I don’t get why they’re ‘so’ opposed to doing something like that.. particularly now that they’ve partnered with AdventHealth, it’s a no brainer. But.. perhaps more ironic than not.. it’d seem, despite their current advertising & use of Figment in their AdventHealth partnership commercial;

Disney’s really lost sight of that ‘Little Spark’ of free-spirited creativity that’s needed for them (and EPCOT for that matter) to thrive in the long term. Currently, the ride portrays that (and it’s fans for that matter) as an upside down thinking interference that’s constantly putting them on blast… so basically it portrays free spirited creativity as a ‘negative’ thing rather a positive catalyst to make way for a better future. So, I dunno.. perhaps it’ll take fixing the ‘Journey Into Imagination’ pavilion first to really ignite the flame of that much needed push & embracement of creativity within the organization…proving without a doubt, that indeed it’s both extremely impactful to society & profitable to the company long term, just sayin’.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Inside Out does not deserve the praise it gets. It was fine but no where near Pixar’s best.

I completely disagree. That film is an absolute masterpiece.

I mean, I really enjoyed Inside Out personally as a film.. but I just don’t think it should come in at the ‘expense’ of park-original concepts.. particularly ones that ‘already’ have memorable, well-loved characters. I think it’d be nice to perhaps have Inside Out as ‘one’ of the attractions in an upgraded Wonders of Life pavilion.. but it shouldn’t have to take over the ‘entire’ pavilion.
One idea I had was if Wonders of Life.. and as a result, ‘Cranium Command’ ever came back.. you could have multiple different shows it’d alternate between at different times (the original we all know & love, an Inside Out/ Riley themed one, and last but not least.. with an Inner Workings one) .. ‘all’ starring Captain Buzzy and General Knowledge who have to work together with either the brain/bodily functions & emotions to get Bobby, Riley, and Paul through their day. It’d totally work.. but sadly it’d seem today’s WDI is not allowed to be as ambitious with doing something like that… hope that changes soon.

Inside Out is actually the only IP I’d be okay with replacing Wonders of Life. All the way down to the soundtrack.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Inside Out does not deserve the praise it gets. It was fine but no where near Pixar’s best.

Well, you're saying the majority is wrong. Which is fine, you're entitled to have a dissenting opinion.

Inside Out, has a 98% thumbs-up on Rotten Tomatoes, a 92% rating from critics, an 83% rating from audiences. It had a CineScore of A. It has a Box Office Gross of $.86B.

It is a wildly praised and successful movie.

Compared to all other movies... it's one of the best movies ever. But then again, Pixar's metric outshines just about any other movie studio.

Compared to Pixar... It does better than the average Pixar movie. The only other Pixar movie with a better critics' score is Toy Story.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Well, you're saying the majority is wrong. Which is fine, you're entitled to have a dissenting opinion.

Inside Out, has a 98% thumbs-up on Rotten Tomatoes, a 92% rating from critics, an 83% rating from audiences. It had a CineScore of A. It has a Box Office Gross of $.86B.

It is a wildly praised and successful movie.

Compared to all other movies... it's one of the best movies ever. But then again, Pixar's metric outshines just about any other movie studio.

Compared to Pixar... It does better than the average Pixar movie. The only other Pixar movie with a better critics' score is Toy Story.

(sigh)
My opinion and preference. Though box office is irrelevant in that conversation. One thing I use to gauge how well I like a film is if I have a desire to rewatch it. Literally never had a desire to rewatch Inside Out, while I’ve rewatched other Pixar films many times over.

 

[MisterPenguin]

(sigh)
My opinion and preference. Though box office is irrelevant in that conversation. One thing I use to gauge how well I like a film is if I have a desire to rewatch it. Literally never had a desire to rewatch Inside Out, while I’ve rewatched other Pixar films many times over.

I acknowledged it was your opinion.

The context of the conversation is that you don't think Inside Out should be in the parks, no? Based on your opinion of it, no?

I'm pointing out why it will be included, because it's very popular and very well thought of.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

I love the movie Inside Out!

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

Well, you're saying the majority is wrong. Which is fine, you're entitled to have a dissenting opinion.

Inside Out, has a 98% thumbs-up on Rotten Tomatoes, a 92% rating from critics, an 83% rating from audiences. It had a CineScore of A. It has a Box Office Gross of $.86B.

It is a wildly praised and successful movie.

Compared to all other movies... it's one of the best movies ever. But then again, Pixar's metric outshines just about any other movie studio.

Compared to Pixar... It does better than the average Pixar movie. The only other Pixar movie with a better critics' score is Toy Story.

Just taking a look at the Top 100 films on Rotten Tomatoes. Inside Out is ranked 25. Toy Story 4 is actually ranked as the best animated movie (anyone that’s seen it can tell you it isn’t) at “only” a 97, but has more reviews which is probably what puts it above Inside Out. Interestingly “It Happened One Night”, a movie I recently watched, is at number 1. Pinocchio, which has a critic score of 100, isn’t in the list.

Critic scores are a ballpark. Movies in the 90%-100% range are usually well respected. Disney movies in the 2010s have gotten an abundance of praise for some reason. I suspect it’s because of the lacklustre offerings from the other studios.

I recently rewatched Inside Out. It’s good. It’s not really one of Pixar’s best, but I realize that opinion is subjective. At the time of it’s release, we kept getting hit with mediocre Pixar films and sequels, so it felt like a breath of fresh air. But the dust has settled.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

Also, on the topic of Inside Out in the parks, I think part of the problem is that it isn’t a film that’s filled with iconic set pieces, so it would be difficult to directly translate it to a theme park environment. The film is much more thought and emotion provoking, and it needs that 90 minute run time to convey its message properly.

I think if it did translate better, that rumoured Imagination overlay would have been planned for the big Epcot update. However, they more than likely would have had to create a ton of new content and areas for a ride, with the characters as the only thing transferring from the film. The only benefit they would be getting is character merch, but I guess it’s easier to sell a purple dragon than a couple of colored blobs. So it really makes perfect sense to put the characters in Play! instead. Best of both worlds in terms of merch profits.

 

[networkpro]

I completely disagree. That film is an absolute masterpiece.


Inside Out is actually the only IP I’d be okay with replacing Wonders of Life. All the way down to the soundtrack.

An animated tale about someone's struggle with an adjustment disorder isn't entertaining to me.

 

[FigmentFan82]

I acknowledged it was your opinion.

The context of the conversation is that you don't think Inside Out should be in the parks, no? Based on your opinion of it, no?

I'm pointing out why it will be included, because it's very popular and very well thought of.

My opinion is that there are much better IP to choose from for potential inclusion in the parks than Inside Out. Nothing will change how I feel

 

[marni1971]

My opinion is that there are much better IP to choose from for potential inclusion in the parks than Inside Out. Nothing will change how I feel

My opinion is stick the IP in the park about movies.

But that won’t happen either.

 

[UNCgolf]

Just taking a look at the Top 100 films on Rotten Tomatoes. Inside Out is ranked 25. Toy Story 4 is actually ranked as the best animated movie (anyone that’s seen it can tell you it isn’t) at “only” a 97, but has more reviews which is probably what puts it above Inside Out. Interestingly “It Happened One Night”, a movie I recently watched, is at number 1. Pinocchio, which has a critic score of 100, isn’t in the list.

Critic scores are a ballpark. Movies in the 90%-100% range are usually well respected. Disney movies in the 2010s have gotten an abundance of praise for some reason. I suspect it’s because of the lacklustre offerings from the other studios.

I recently rewatched Inside Out. It’s good. It’s not really one of Pixar’s best, but I realize that opinion is subjective. At the time of it’s release, we kept getting hit with mediocre Pixar films and sequels, so it felt like a breath of fresh air. But the dust has settled.

I think using Rotten Tomatoes as a way to rank anything is essentially a statistical fallacy because of the way it works.

Even if you ignore the subjectivity of whether Rotten Tomatoes decides to assign a middling review a thumbs up or thumbs down (a 3/5 nominally counts the same as a 5/5 as they're both positive reviews), as well as determining which reviews are included in the score period (on some movies they're including random blog reviews), the system itself doesn't work well for rankings. A movie that received ten 3/5 "yeah, it's a competently made, entertaining enough film" reviews out of 10 would be at 100% whereas a movie that received 9 5/5 masterpiece reviews and 1/5 hated it reviews would only get 90%.

That's why you see stuff like Avengers: Endgame super high on the list. It's an incredibly well-made film that's a lot of fun; it would be hard to give it a negative review in the context of what it is. But I don't think many critics would actually consider it one of the 100 best films they'd ever seen, much less top 10. Those types of films have an inherent advantage over other types in the Rotten Tomatoes scheme.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

My opinion is stick the IP in the park about movies.

But that won’t happen either.

I’m not even so sure about that. The park was originally built to honour the best of the best when it came to Cinema. Comparing their films to the best movies? That’s funny.

 

[marni1971]

I’m not even so sure about that. The park was originally built to honour the best of the best when it came to Cinema. Comparing their films to the best movies? That’s funny.

It was indeed. But like Epcot it’s another mish mash of a park that’s lost its way.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

It was indeed. But like Epcot it’s another mish mash of a park that’s lost its way.

Unlike Epcot though, a lot of the content required licensing deals that the modern company would be too stingy to pay. Sure, Epcot had sponsors, but they own Figment and every original park character that came out of it. There’s no reason they can’t restore dignity to that park. The only thing to blame is their cluelessness.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think using Rotten Tomatoes as a way to rank anything is essentially a statistical fallacy because of the way it works.

Even if you ignore the subjectivity of whether Rotten Tomatoes decides to assign a middling review a thumbs up or thumbs down

That's why I never quote the RT Tomatometer by itself. It is indeed just a thumbs up or down.

I also include the average of the *score* that critics gave it combined with the *score* of the critics at Metacritic.

I also include average *score* of the audience combining RT users and IMDB users which wind up being in the hundreds of thousands (and thus, less prone to bombing or bumping).

Then I also include the CineScore, which is the opening weekend score of a random sampling of the audience.

Then I include the Box Office Gross.

They all add up together for a fairly good reading of the movie as to where it stands with critics and audience.

People are prone to opining what IP should or shouldn't be in the park based on their own personal opinion. Then they often project their opinion onto the whole of the general population or Disney fanbase. These metrics tell whether that projection has any foundation. It also explains why Disney seems to promoting a particular IP that a person personally dislikes... Because Disney knows what the population at large really likes or dislikes.

An example: I seen people wonder why so much Moana since it was just a one-off IP that didn't seem to be the multi-billion dollar category that other IPs are in. Well, according to Nielsen, Moana is in the top ten most streamed movies week after week for the past four months. It's popular.

Disney also has the metrics of merch sales and their own internal polling. Disney isn't going to double down on a IP in the park that people -- in general -- don't care about.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

Timing is also key to reception. Opinions on media change over time. Had Inside Out followed up the original Incredibles or Toy Story, would it have had as high of a review score as it did following up Brave and Monster’s University?

 

[CastAStone]

Disney movies in the 2010s have gotten an abundance of praise for some reason. I suspect it’s because of the lacklustre offerings from the other studios.

I think Frozen and to a lesser extent Moana get a bad rap here because people don’t want the IPs in the parks, but Moana is probably the funniest Walt Disney Animated feature and Frozen had perhaps the best Disney song (yes I’m sick of it too but that doesn’t change how good of a song it is), the best visual sequence (let it go castle building scene) and frankly an incredible and inspiring twist at the end. It’s just an incredible picture that everyone got very sick of (and isn’t for the middle aged men that mostly populate the forums here)

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

I think Frozen and to a lesser extent Moana get a bad rap here because people don’t want the IPs in the parks, but Moana is probably the funniest Walt Disney Animated feature and Frozen had perhaps the best Disney song (yes I’m sick of it too but that doesn’t change how good of a song it is), the best visual sequence (let it go castle building scene) and frankly an incredible and inspiring twist at the end. It’s just an incredible picture that everyone got very sick of (and isn’t for the middle aged men that mostly populate the forums here)

I think they’re mediocre kids flicks as far as films go, but to say that they aren’t popular with said kids is pretty crazy. They are. They sell well.

The company milks them to franchise fatigue, which is absolutely awful for the long term, but they still deserve park presence (in places they fit).

 

[UNCgolf]

I think Frozen and to a lesser extent Moana get a bad rap here because people don’t want the IPs in the parks, but Moana is probably the funniest Walt Disney Animated feature and Frozen had perhaps the best Disney song (yes I’m sick of it too but that doesn’t change how good of a song it is), the best visual sequence (let it go castle building scene) and frankly an incredible and inspiring twist at the end. It’s just an incredible picture that everyone got very sick of (and isn’t for the middle aged men that mostly populate the forums here)

I don't think Let It Go is even a top 20 Disney song. That doesn't make it a bad song, though -- Disney has just had a lot of great songs over 80 years.

Regardless, I don't have any problem with Frozen or Moana in the parks (they're both solid movies). I have a problem with them in EPCOT (and I think FEA is a bad ride, but that has nothing to do with the IP). Put them in the Magic Kingdom or DHS where they belong.