Nick Pappagiorgio
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I've heard YC and BC tend to have lower occupancy rates, so I don't know why they wouldn't pull a Poly and convert some of the existing rooms to DVC.
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New EPCOT DVC?
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Unplugged
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Beach Club already has an entire dedicated DVC building. I can say as a DVC member trying to book either Boardwalk or Beach Club, that they are both booked very quickly.
By the way, "Nick Pappagiorgio", I know where that name came from and it rocks!
Nick Pappagiorgio
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I was talking about the non-DVC cash rooms. I don't have insider info, but Jim Hill was talking about the rooms not filling up a while ago on Disney Dish.
I have been teetering on pulling the trigger on DVC for years, and this would 100% get me to sign up, just so I could have my home base in EPCOT Center.
I'd rather be inside the park, or at least have a view of the park that is unobstructed.
Next Big Thing
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In the short term, yes. But what happens when the 50-yer contracts run up and they have to start re-selling EVERYTHING? Will people buy back in or will they just be stuck with a bunch of empty hotel rooms?
The Empress Lilly
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Stick this in! Complete with 1966 furniture and decoration. I'd never leave.
flyerjab
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Stick this in! Complete with 1966 furniture and decoration. I'd never leave.
An homage to Walt's original vision of EPCOT. That would be brilliant and so will never happen.
My concern with all the new DVC is that the parks have become so much busier all year round. The last time we had a room expansion, there were additional gates/experiences being created at the same time to meet the additional population.
Where is the overall planning? Or is the expectation to just keep cramming in more guests?
The FL "expansion" and Avatarland will not make up for the amount of additional rooms being added.
Where is the overall planning? Or is the expectation to just keep cramming in more guests?
The FL "expansion" and Avatarland will not make up for the amount of additional rooms being added.
aladdin2007
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Certainly feels that way while offering less and less.
BrerJon
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Something they could do is rip up the Epcot bus loop and use that, plus the empty land patch behind the Land, for a hotel, and then use the scrubland behind the river next to Imagine Lot for a new bus loop. It would be tough to have a park-side entrance, but it's only a short walk for guests to the front gate and monorail station, and could be built tall enough to have a great view inside from most rooms.
danv3
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Speaking as a DVC owner, If they aren't going to use the WOL space for attractions (which seems obvious at this point) I suppose a DVC wouldn't be the worst outcome. They already have special events space at the Odyssey and that Millennium building over by the UK.
But ultimately, what EPCOT really needs is attractions. Just like DHS and DAK.
Someone in management must be able to look more than two quarters down the road. Park capacity leads to long-term growth. Timeshare units lead to short term profits, sure, but at the expense of the future.
But ultimately, what EPCOT really needs is attractions. Just like DHS and DAK.
Someone in management must be able to look more than two quarters down the road. Park capacity leads to long-term growth. Timeshare units lead to short term profits, sure, but at the expense of the future.
BrerJon
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As long as they keep cramming the guests in for the next few years, TDO are happy. They've managed to convince thousands of people to pre-pay 45 years worth of vacations, and all those DVC members, despite evidence to the contrary, seem to think the the quality and standards of the parks are going to stay the same or improve over that time.
If Disney lets the parks decline, if they don't build much that's new and cheapen what's already they're, to the point where the DVC owners don't want to come every year anymore, who cares? They have your money now. You said you wanted to come to Disney for 45 years... be careful what you wish for. The WDW of 2035 is likely to be very different to what we have today, so it makes sense to build DVC fast and sell them up before people notice that theme park investment has stagnated.
Nick Pappagiorgio
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My question to you is does the average DVC member know/care? And also, can you say that the current trend of reduced investment is going to continue? I mean they probably aren't going to throw money at the parks so long as the attendance remains as high as it is (even with price increases). But somewhere along the line attendance and satisfaction might level out to the point that they have to put money into the parks. Now that might not happen for ten years, but at some point the cost and demand curves are going to cross.
deix15x8
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I doubt people will buy back in. I am looking at buying a DVC and am only 24. The one I'm looking at only has 46 years left but I'd still be 70 by the time it expires. I doubt I would be buying back in if I'm even alive. Most people that buy DVC are older than me and will not live to see their contract out. They often get handed down to the next generation, but just because you like Disney does not mean your kids will see the value in spending the money on repurchasing it. They may pay the yearly dues and keep it alive but that is a big price difference compared to buying in.
I could see Disney doing massive renovations at the end of the contracts and the cycle of DVC resort sales starting all over again. Instead of new resorts we'd start getting relaunched ones and some may be demolished entirely and replaced. The big problem will likely actually come with 10 years left when people are passing away and no one wants to pay the fees for them. They'll start to see many contracts returned and no one will be wanting to buy in for the short term unless they sell it dirt cheap which would then kill the regular sales. This is the time that Disney will likely see more of a problem than when the contracts are actually up.
Next Big Thing
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I mean, my parents have DVC and i'd potentially buy back, but that's not the point. While I enjoy BLT, VGF, Kidani, etc, I just think it's bad business. If DVC is what is fueling hotel occupancy right now, then what happens come 2042 when OKW contracts start to run up? Then it's just continuous after that.
I suspect to avoid a potentially huge disaster like that, they will start offering extensions eventually. They will seemingly have to. The base of customers is so large some are bound to extend and by offering, they'll have a better idea what they need to do going forward based on how many extend and how many reject the extension.
llrain
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according to my guide, who we would say has more merit than a bus driver during our meeting with him about the Grand Floridian possible purchase did not deny and went out of his way to explain how he cannot divulge plans, so far out of his way that it this was not happening why waste your breath.
But I told him that I was being honest in saying that I am not 100% interested in purchasing The Grand and that I wanted to wait out unitl the Yacht Club was announced to be a villa site. He basically said that it was a good possibility but could not say more.
So as I have said for a long time now, Disney's intention is to make every deluxe resort a part of the dvc family and they will do the Yacht. We chatted about the lack of space over there cause everyone thinks there is no humanly way there is space on here and his reply "We are Disney, we always find the space".
It may be next year, it may be 5 or 10 years from now, but every deluxe will be dvc, and yacht is the only one left out so far.
But I told him that I was being honest in saying that I am not 100% interested in purchasing The Grand and that I wanted to wait out unitl the Yacht Club was announced to be a villa site. He basically said that it was a good possibility but could not say more.
So as I have said for a long time now, Disney's intention is to make every deluxe resort a part of the dvc family and they will do the Yacht. We chatted about the lack of space over there cause everyone thinks there is no humanly way there is space on here and his reply "We are Disney, we always find the space".
It may be next year, it may be 5 or 10 years from now, but every deluxe will be dvc, and yacht is the only one left out so far.
TeriofTerror
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A while back, I heard rumors that DVC may go where the RCID Emergency Services Headquarters is located, directly behind Tutto Italia. Does anyone know if that's still being considered as a viable spot?
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Biff215
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I don't really look at it as Disney getting stuck with an empty resort. I look at it as Disney essentially getting a "free" resort that was maintained by member dues. For the resorts that stand the test of time, they can keep them and either resell DVC or convert them to cash. For those that didn't, they can start all over with whatever sells best at that time.
It will be interesting for sure, but you know the current execs don't care much about the future when they're long gone.
As a DVC member myself, I am split on the Epcot idea. I understand that as long as there is demand, Disney will continue to build. I just wouldn't want to see any of the parks ruined by a forced resort. It's tough now that all the deluxes other than YC have been utilized. If they do it right, it could be the most popular DVC yet (but sadly probably still will be even if they don't).