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New EPCOT DVC?
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Where? Or is that part of the mystery? If in the Epcot resort area, where would it be?
If near the future world area (front gate), where would it be? On the monorail, perhaps? I am not familiar with these rumors, so I don't know where the resort location has been discussed.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Spirit dropped this rumor in his new thread. The rumor is EPCOT is up next for DVC. Not in WS but near the front gate possibly with a private entrance to the park. He said "no comment" on theme.
disney4life2008
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Note to disney: do not build another resort or DVC! build more attractions and fix AK. The avatarland deadline is less than 2.5 years (I think) and knowing has disney moves - it will be 5 plus years before its finally done.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Just a thought, but hear me out. They could build this on the site of the WOL pavilion. The caveat being the bottom level would be a new ride/attraction inside the park with floors of hotel rooms above it. They could cover a large chunk of the cost of the new ride with DVC sales. A DVC inside the park makes it even more marketable and everyone gets a new ride.
surfsupdon
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Please do not dumb down Yacht Club with DVC. The total overall feel at Beach Club changed very much with the addition of their DVC.
Let Yacht Club stay as a sophisticated, quiet Deluxe Hotel. Ok thanks.
Let Yacht Club stay as a sophisticated, quiet Deluxe Hotel. Ok thanks.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Here is the RCID Master Plan map for the Epcot area. Areas in red are the ones that are considered suitable for construction. (Standard disclaimer: yes, they could build anywhere if the really wanted to but they are going to favor the red area whenever possible).
Hyperspace Hoopla
Well-Known Member
I think I'm confused about the capital commitment here. A lot of posters seem to believe that Disney should invest their cash into rides/upgrades/entertainment (great idea), but aren't the DVC reports self funding?
I think these this pay for themselves (and then some for Disney), but I don't think Disney foots the bill for DVC resorts.
I think these this pay for themselves (and then some for Disney), but I don't think Disney foots the bill for DVC resorts.
The Visionary Soul
Well-Known Member
They wouldn't need to build anything on undeveloped land to build this DVC. Take that as you may.
MarkTwain
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Wonders of Life? Energy?
MarkTwain
Well-Known Member
Hmmm... would Odyssey be considered part of Future World? Large site, waterfront property, great Illuminations views, easy access to both FW and WS, and Disney hasn't known what to do with that site for years.... And it already acts as an "existing entrance" since it's the cast entrance for the park.
Did I nail it or am I just giving Disney horrible ideas?
Did I nail it or am I just giving Disney horrible ideas?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
They are a gold mine for TWDC. The quick return on investment is very attractive. They have become fiscally addicted to the huge profits they get from selling DVC points. So much so that if they stop building them it will result in a material decline in P&R segment earnings. However, I don't buy the argument that the capital spent on DVC construction is money that would have gone to parks or new rides if they didn't build DVC. Two different sets of funds and two very different earnings profiles. If anything, having near sold out DVC resorts year round helps establish a base of guests for growth that should make green lighting new park projects more attractive. DVC still only makes up about 10% of total rooms, but it's a vocal and repeat group of guests.
One very obvious negative result for Disney with DVC is that they canabalize room rentals at the deluxe resorts. Room occupancy is down at deluxe resorts. A lot of DVC owners are people who stayed at the deluxe resorts so Disney is sacrificing long term profits from cash room rentals for short term super profits from DVC. Disney has converted some deluxe rooms at CR, Poly and AK into DVC rooms/villas as a result of this.
I think the biggest beef people have with DVC is it seems to be the only thing Disney is quick to green light and build these days. While we were waiting for an announcement on Carsland, Pixar Place expansion or Star Wars at DHS they have started and finished Grand Floridian Villas and are well under way at the Poly. My guess is this new EPCOT DVC will break ground before a single shovel of dirt is dug at DHS. If you aren't an owner, new DVC construction does nothing for you. Even most owners are starting to feel like its enough already. Until people stop buying the points Disney will keep building DVC and it will keep frustrating fanbois.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I hadn't thought of that. Could be a possibility. You would be right up against Test Track and Mexico and there wouldn't be a lot of room for a pool or grounds, but a little tower there might fit the description. Maybe a rooftop pool and lounge area.Hmmm... would Odyssey be considered part of Future World? Large site, waterfront property, great Illuminations views, easy access to both FW and WS, and Disney hasn't known what to do with that site for years.... And it already acts as an "existing entrance" since it's the cast entrance for the park.
Did I nail it or am I just giving Disney horrible ideas?
I don't think I like the idea of building something that intrusive. At least the WOL area and the backstage area between Sea and Land are on the outer edges of the park. They would seem loss obvious and out of place. Maybe at least they are the lesser of 2 evils. Of course Odyssey would provide the best views of illuminations...I think you probably did just give them a horrible idea
Hmmm... would Odyssey be considered part of Future World? Large site, waterfront property, great Illuminations views, easy access to both FW and WS, and Disney hasn't known what to do with that site for years.... And it already acts as an "existing entrance" since it's the cast entrance for the park.
Did I nail it or am I just giving Disney horrible ideas?
Hmmm. You know I once heard a rumor that Disney considered splitting Epcot and making WS a non ticketed area. Sort of like Disney Springs will be or Boardwalk currently is.
Every since hearing this rumor my fertile imagination has pictured the possibility of a hotel over the promenade where the Christmas tree is placed and the LOW once was. Ground level could be the gate for FW. Picture something like the entrance to DLP. Rooms would overlook either FW or WS.
Mull over that possibility this weekend.
BTW, I think this concept would allow for FW to be upgraded to the level we all expect.
Good night, and good luck.
CDavid
Well-Known Member
The worst thing about an Epcot DVC might not be the location (as much of a mistake and abomination as that is certain to be). What's potentially worse is an inappropriate theme and architectural design, particularly for a resort situated so close to a theme park. Consider how an ugly monstrosity like Bay Lake Tower would look visible over most areas of the park - perhaps even over World Showcase. Indeed, has anyone considered how a medium or high-rise structure would look next to Spaceship Earth? Or does anyone - within Disney - even care?
I know an Epcot DVC will sell, but gee, if you just have to build another one, there are better locations in the 'world' than this. Those will sell too.
Odyssey is an interesting idea. I don't see the money trail though. Recent DVC builds excluding Hawaii have been in places that DVC dues pay for "Common areas" and "shared services". Having more guests at Bay Lake than Contemporary has driven Bay Lake dues up faster than any other DVC for three years running theoretically because dues there are paying ( in part)to maintain the vast common areas in that hotel as well as part of the transportation bill on the monorail. I think this will go front of park and have some direct connection to the monorail.
deix15x8
Active Member
I'm still waiting to see how long it will be until DVC goes international. I'm surprised Disneyland Paris doesn't have one yet. Seems like a great way to get Europeans to fly to WDW as well as to increase Disneyland Paris attendance by attracting Americans. Once the new Paramount Park opens in a year (by Easter 2015) Disneyland Paris is going to be hurting and I wouldn't be surprised if even WDW saw a huge drop in visitors from Europe. A local DVC could really entice European sales.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Interesting thought. I wonder if there are issues with real estate laws in other countries. Since DVC is not a traditional timeshare and ownership returns to Disney after the contract expires. No clue if that's really an issue.
willtravel
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Why don't they just make all of the deluxe hotels into timeshares and be done with it. No need to build anything. Then after that the moderates.