New EPCOT DVC?

[BrerJon]

Hmmm... would Odyssey be considered part of Future World? Large site, waterfront property, great Illuminations views, easy access to both FW and WS, and Disney hasn't known what to do with that site for years.... And it already acts as an "existing entrance" since it's the cast entrance for the park.

Did I nail it or am I just giving Disney horrible ideas?

I think we're safe from that. There's not really enough room back there. You've just got the restaurant, then Test Track, then Cast Services and behind that the cast parking lot. To the side you get the FW show buildings, and a long walk to the gate, so there's not really any room for the infrastructure a hotel needs or the paths for guests to get to and from it at all hours.

 

[BrerJon]

I'm still waiting to see how long it will be until DVC goes international. I'm surprised Disneyland Paris doesn't have one yet. Seems like a great way to get Europeans to fly to WDW as well as to increase Disneyland Paris attendance by attracting Americans. Once the new Paramount Park opens in a year (by Easter 2015) Disneyland Paris is going to be hurting and I wouldn't be surprised if even WDW saw a huge drop in visitors from Europe. A local DVC could really entice European sales.

It's a nice idea but I think the appeal of DVC is going to the same place again and again... for European visitors, DLP is nice but you don't want to go there every year, especially as it's so horrendously expensive. I know you can use points in other places but it's such a bad deal I can't see many going for it.

Don't forget it's cheaper for many Brits to go to Florida for a week than Paris because of the exchange rate. Add in the bad weather and a DVC in Paris would be a big no-no. There are tons of DVC owners from the UK but I bet almost none of them would trade a week in Orlando for one in Paris!

Also the DLP moderate rooms are like deluxe ones in the USA, so DVC wouldn't feel like much of a room upgrade.

So it's only really Americans who would find it appealing, but even then because of the exchange you'd need so many points it would feel like a downgrade.

 

[aladdin2007]

The worst thing about an Epcot DVC might not be the location (as much of a mistake and abomination as that is certain to be). What's potentially worse is an inappropriate theme and architectural design, particularly for a resort situated so close to a theme park. Consider how an ugly monstrosity like Bay Lake Tower would look visible over most areas of the park - perhaps even over World Showcase. Indeed, has anyone considered how a medium or high-rise structure would look next to Spaceship Earth? Or does anyone - within Disney - even care?

I know an Epcot DVC will sell, but gee, if you just have to build another one, there are better locations in the 'world' than this. Those will sell too.

While its sounding like the dvc will not be attached to World Showcase in any way,,Im worried about the design as well wherever it goes. Disney could probably care less, ugly bay lake tower is a telling example. Its going to look like another miami if they keep at it in that form. I would rather see something along the lines of the beach club villas or wilderness lodge villas. Would really rather not see any added at all of course, but at least world showcase is safe. Im wondering now about the expansion pad between seas and the land if they were to build on that right side of the parkings lots extending it into that pad somehow.

 

[StageFrenzy]

While its sounding like the dvc will not be attached to World Showcase in any way,,Im worried about the design as well wherever it goes. Disney could probably care less, ugly bay lake tower is a telling example. Its going to look like another miami if they keep at it in that form. I would rather see something along the lines of the beach club villas or wilderness lodge villas. Would really rather not see any added at all of course, but at least world showcase is safe. Im wondering now about the expansion pad between seas and the land if they were to build on that right side of the parkings lots extending it into that pad somehow.

I am okay with the Epcot DVC if it is FW, FW at this point has little to no identity other than a collection of disparate rides. I'm okay with a BLT behemoth if it is contemporary or modern. Something like the late great Oscar Niemeyer would create. Give FW an identity beyond a relict of the past and horrible paint choices.

 

[jmargarone27]

I am a DVC member, and I think there is already too much DVC at WDW!

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Why on Earth, when they have two DVC resorts within walking distance to Epcot, would they need a third?

 

[CDavid]

Why on Earth, when they have two DVC resorts within walking distance to Epcot, would they need a third?

$$$

 

[StarWarsGirl]

$$$

As a DVC member, I don't mind this all to a degree, like adding a new building where none existed and making it DVC exclusive, or in the case of BLT, tearing down the wing and rebuilding it to be more modern and making it for DVC members. But there is a point where all this becomes ridiculous and they need to pump more money into the parks, which is why we are here after all.

 

[jt04]

As a DVC member, I don't mind this all to a degree, like adding a new building where none existed and making it DVC exclusive, or in the case of BLT, tearing down the wing and rebuilding it to be more modern and making it for DVC members. But there is a point where all this becomes ridiculous and they need to pump more money into the parks, which is why we are here after all.

See Pandora. See DAK. See the FLE.

I expect further announcements to take the shine off Potter 2.0 not long after its debut. IMO.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

See Pandora. See DAK. See the FLE.

I expect further announcements to take the shine off Potter 2.0 not long after its debut. IMO.

I've been to Carsland. New FL has nothing on Carsland, and personally, I'm not an Avatar fan, though I have seen the film, so I'm not the least bit excited for Pandora. Unless there's a Star Wars Land announcement in the future.

 

[jt04]

I've been to Carsland. New FL has nothing on Carsland, and personally, I'm not an Avatar fan, though I have seen the film, so I'm not the least bit excited for Pandora. Unless there's a Star Wars Land announcement in the future.

The FLE was designed to serve demographics at the MK that was lacking. And it has been very successful in doing that even before the new mountain opens.

Pandora will be exciting to many. Can't please everyone with every new addition.

Yes, Star Wars seems like a no brainer if they wish to not lose tourist dollars to Uni. I am more convinced than ever though that TWDC wants more parity with Uni and others in the Orlando tourism business. Everyone in central Florida seems to be singing from the same sheet of music and that is to grow central Florida's tourism base. I am fine with that as it seems to be working.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

The FLE was designed to serve demographics at the MK that was lacking. And it has been very successful in doing that even before the new mountain opens.

What demographic was that?

 

[monothingie]

$$$

And that's a bad thing why??

 

[CDavid]

And that's a bad thing why??

Nobody said it was.

However, it can become a bad thing when you seriously undermine the long term prospects for the company just to artificially prop up this quarters financial results so they look better than they really are. More DVC developments are not necessarily in Walt Disney World's future best interest, but they are highly profitable in the short term.

 

[jt04]

What demographic was that?

Families with younger children. Ironic considering it is the MK. JL wrote a long paper explaining this. It seems as though it has succeeded well. And now DAK is getting upgraded.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Families with younger children. Ironic considering it is the MK. JL wrote a long paper explaining this. It seems as though it has succeeded well. And now DAK is getting upgraded.

How was that demographic not being served before, and what about this new FL, which has a minimal amount of new attractions, serve that demographic?

 

[MarkTwain]

I think we're safe from that. There's not really enough room back there. You've just got the restaurant, then Test Track, then Cast Services and behind that the cast parking lot. To the side you get the FW show buildings, and a long walk to the gate, so there's not really any room for the infrastructure a hotel needs or the paths for guests to get to and from it at all hours.

True. My money's on the WoL pavilion - it's "in" the park but it's also pushed farther out than the other FW pavilions, with easy proximity to both inside and outside the park. I wouldn't be surprised to see a larger DVC take over the Energy pavilion either.

I wonder if we would be wise to get our last rides on Universe of Energy in... is this why Disney's left the ride and the WoL pavilion so stagnant in recent years?

 

[marni1971]

Families with younger children. Ironic considering it is the MK. JL wrote a long paper explaining this. It seems as though it has succeeded well. And now DAK is getting upgraded.

One would have thought they succeeded when they butchered Alien Encounter and dumbed down From Time to Time into a cartoon.

 

[aladdin2007]

True. My money's on the WoL pavilion - it's "in" the park but it's also pushed farther out than the other FW pavilions, with easy proximity to both inside and outside the park. I wouldn't be surprised to see a larger DVC take over the Energy pavilion either.

I wonder if we would be wise to get our last rides on Universe of Energy in... is this why Disney's left the ride and the WoL pavilion so stagnant in recent years?

They wouldnt dare rip out that side of the park for a hotel, would they? Oh wait, they took out snowwhite, 20,000 leagues, etc, yeah they would. But I think the cost on taking out those pavilions are far greater than building on the opposite side, using the parking lot and extending the hotel somehow between the seas and the land pavilions. After all thats just about the last major FW expansion pad left.

 

[Sped2424]

No more dvc's, they have more than enough at this point.