New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub

[lazyboy97o]

Could a continuous automated PeopleMover do the trick?

It has now been 124 years since Elias Disney had the chance to ride a continuously moving transit system and we still don’t see them in use. The concept of continuous loading seems to be better in theory than practicality.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

It has now been 124 years since Elias Disney had the chance to ride a continuously moving transit system and we still don’t see them in use. The concept of continuous loading seems to be better in theory than practicality.

Omnimovers?

But even with stops, a peoplemover could be more efficient than the current tram set up.

 

[Disney Irish]

Omnimovers?

But even with stops, a peoplemover could be more efficient than the current tram set up.

As much I wish they would have a peoplemover or some type of similar system I don't see it happening. The walk from the new parking structure to the new retail area is likely to be fairly short. Disney will want the foot traffic for the retail and to show off their new hotel.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

As much I wish they would have a peoplemover or some type of similar system I don't see it happening. The walk from the new parking structure to the new retail area is likely to be fairly short. Disney will want the foot traffic for the retail and to show off their new hotel.

Not a great way to earn goodwill from people after a long, and likely expensive, day at the parks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Omnimovers?

But even with stops, a peoplemover could be more efficient than the current tram set up.

Omnimovers don’t handle the volume of people that are present at peak entry and exit hours. They are also not very accessible, which would definitely be a requirement of any system. The basic idea of continuous movement as a means of transit isn’t new but nobody has been able to build a full size transit system, including WED Enterprises.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not a great way to earn goodwill from people after a long, and likely expensive, day at the parks.

Well in the short term the trams will still be there for the next couple of years. Its the long term problem of growth due to extra parking that comes with the new structure that will be the problem. So there will be time to come up with a solution before then, if needed. I just don't see them putting in a system like peoplemover for such a short distance, its not economical. I really wanted it (and stated it here) for the Eastern Gateway/Toy Story lots, but knew that wouldn't happen either.

 

[jbradway]

I just can't see it being practical for a people mover or any other kind of mover. In the park where guests are queued up it works with a rotating platform allowing people to settle into their vehicle. But try and watch a family load up with wheelchairs, strollers and packs on the trams you'll see it takes a lot longer than it does in a ride queue. It would be like the Mansion where they would have to stop or go into creep mode constantly while loading. Consider the cost to implement and maintain and it's not very practical way to move a lot of people.

 

[Darkbeer1]

OK, I just did some calculations using the Eastern Gateway bridge number of 12,000 guests per hour during peak.

So with the 16,000+ spaces between the two structures, we are looking at 20,000 per hour as a good guess.

That is 350 guests per minute. including wheelchairs and strollers.

And the system cannot break down, or of they do, easily bypassed and keep the same pace.

Disney went with just walking, and no elevators, just easy slopes on the Eastern Gateway project, and that is what works and will be used on the new Western project.

 

[JD2000]

That's quite the walk. Especially after a long day in the parks. Had to park in the Simba (?) lot once and walk to the gates from there and it was miserable when going back to the car.

I am sure Disney does not view it to be a problem. They no longer believe, as Walt knew, that keeping guests comfortable and happy generates more cash in the end. Sadly.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

OK, I just did some calculations using the Eastern Gateway bridge number of 12,000 guests per hour during peak.

So with the 16,000+ spaces between the two structures, we are looking at 20,000 per hour as a good guess.

That is 350 guests per minute. including wheelchairs and strollers.

And the system cannot break down, or of they do, easily bypassed and keep the same pace.

Disney went with just walking, and no elevators, just easy slopes on the Eastern Gateway project, and that is what works and will be used on the new Western project.

Is it what works, or is it what works that can be done on the cheap? Disney was supposed to set itself apart from its competition by having a level of excitement and elegance combined with efficient and reliable systems. The tram is a legacy system that meet the needs of the specifications of the time, no? They could have killed the tram and build landscaped walkways to DtD when they built M&F, no? A PeopleMover could work, it was on the ‘91 Master Plan, but laying down pavement is easier and cheaper. That’s simply not acceptable for what Disney charges its “guests” for the pleasure of parking in its garages.

 

[spacejockey]

What if they build a transport system that they charge for? I would hate to pay. But, I would unwillingly pay for it. Getting from your car to the park could be the new Max Pass. Disney already has created a "Class" system. Why stop at the parks? I don't want to o walk!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think part of the problem with the existing walk is the poor design of the environment. Walking through CityWalk Orlando doesn’t feel nearly as grueling.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

Disney's Going Green! "I am pleased to announce the latest steps Disneyland Resort is taking as a part of our efforts to attenuate our carbon footprint. Take your last ride on the Disneyland Resort Anaheim Mickey and Friends Parking Structure Tram. Retired parking trams will help us lower Disneyland Resort's carbon emissions by up to 9 omnimovers... just walk! -Erin"

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I think part of the problem with the existing walk is the poor design of the environment. Walking through CityWalk Orlando doesn’t feel nearly as grueling.

And they have moving walkways from the garages to CityWalk.

 

[TP2000]

So a few things. First, it's good that they're moving forward with something. Second, it's good that this facility will have escalators.

Having said that, they're sacrificing existing spaces on the Pinocchio lot in favor of a garage that's smaller than the Eastern Gateway project. The Eastern Gateway project was supposed to be 6900 spaces and the garage is only 6500 spaces. No idea how many spaces are being absorbed in the Pinocchio lot.

I don't know enough about this, but I suspect that while this will be a significant improvement it still won't eliminate parking problems.

Eastern Gateway 2016 = 6,900 Spaces

New Mickey & Friends Expansion 2017 = 6,500 Spaces
New DTD/Hotel Structure 2017 = 2,000 Spaces
New Toy Story Expansion 2017 = 400 Spaces
Announced Parking Expansion in 2017 = 8,900 Spaces

So Disneyland now has 2,000 more Spaces announced than what they were publicly talking about 12 to 18 months ago. And they still own all the land for Eastern Gateway if and when that parking plan needs to move forward.

 

[Disney Irish]

Eastern Gateway 2016 = 6,900 Spaces

New Mickey & Friends Expansion 2017 = 6,500 Spaces
New DTD/Hotel Structure 2017 = 2,000 Spaces
New Toy Story Expansion 2017 = 400 Spaces
Announced Parking Expansion in 2017 = 8,900 Spaces

So Disneyland now has 2,000 more Spaces announced than what they were publicly talking about 12 to 18 months ago. And they still own all the land for Eastern Gateway if and when that parking plan needs to move forward.

This reminds me of those recent MasterCard commercials, lol.

 

[D.Silentu]

Brought to mind by @the.dreamfinder, I feel like I remember moving sidewalks being part of the Eastern Gateway at one point, though later excised. Folding them into this design is almost a must with the volume of people that @Darkbeer1 and others have been suggesting. Accounting for strollers and wheelchairs the trams or any other vehicle requiring loading and unloading, is out of the question. It's true that people can walk, but if we are talking about over three hundred people per minute, there needs to be something driving them forward at a pace. Congestion is one of Disneyland's top problems and here, where they have a clean slate, an efficient solution is absolutely necessary.

 

[BrianLo]

What about the lost spaces in Pinocchio?

Pummba would have also consumed previously utilized spaces. As also just mentioned this includes a 2k hotel parking structure. The total spaces aren’t 1:1 with loss of some surface parking otherwise for the whole new hotel complex, but it does come out a bit ahead of the Eastern Gateway. Plus I expect Pummba and the ancillary area they’ve acquired to be folded back in as surface parking and bus transport.

Let me also state, the M&F Trams will head to Yesterland, they can't handle the rush periods now, no way can it double its capacity. Expect to see Downtown Disney expand in the current Unload area, and then themed walkways and security check area can go in the actual roadway. A built in way to avoid pedestrians to cross Disneyland Drive. So guests can use the current tram route to walk, or head south from the new structure to a revised security check area near the current one next to the DLH.

The M&F trams will still continue to operate.

Irony of ironies being people finally got their damned transit from a new garage and will just realize simply walking from Pummba was always a better option than transport.

Hopefully a much better walking path through the new complex comes of this.

 

[BrianLo]

I expect Marvel will finally take off, get committed strictly to Bugsland and Timon and open late 2021/early 2022.

The smoke in all this was always the run Disney cancellation.

Speaking of, has anyone noted the weird monorail route drawn by the OCR? The Tomorrowland station in particular.

 

[mickEblu]

I expect Marvel will finally take off, get committed strictly to Bugsland and Timon and open late 2021/early 2022.

The smoke in all this was always the run Disney cancellation.

Speaking of, has anyone noted the weird monorail route drawn by the OCR? The Tomorrowland station in particular.

Ya I noticed. I just thought that they didn't think the TL loop was necessary for what they were trying to display in the drawing. Plus I Did read in one of the articles today that the monorail would not be rerouted.