New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub

[shortstop]

Silly question I know, but which lot is Pumbaa?

 

[Darkbeer1]

Silly question I know, but which lot is Pumbaa?

Pumbaa is the lot just north of GardenWalk on Disney Way. Mainly used for CM parking, but does get converted to guest parking on peak days.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And they have moving walkways from the garages to CityWalk.

That helps, but Downtown Disney is also not designed as a through way. The plazas that make up Downtown Disney’s organization are filled, creating obstacles that are intended to slow people, move them around and push them towards the various venues. If Downtown Disney is to be a main avenue into parks it will require work to better function as a walkway.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

That helps, but Downtown Disney is also not designed as a through way. The plazas that make up Downtown Disney’s organization are filled, creating obstacles that are intended to slow people, move them around and push them towards the various venues. If Downtown Disney is to be a main avenue into parks it will require work to better function as a walkway.

Which would tie in with the planned redo of the space.

 

[Ralf]

I might be missing this completely, what is this building (marked red)? In my understanding, this can't be the new parking structure as it will be located on the other side. The marked area in the picture is behind the Paradise Pier Hotel.

 

[truecoat]

I might be missing this completely, what is this building (marked red)? In my understanding, this can't be the new parking structure as it will be located on the other side. The marked area in the picture is behind the Paradise Pier Hotel.

It's an additional parking structure for hotel guests and possibly DTD patrons. 2000 spots if I'm aligning with what TP2000 posted.

 

[Ralf]

It's an additional parking structure for hotel guests and possibly DTD patrons. 2000 spots if I'm aligning with what TP2000 posted.

That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!

 

[TP2000]

It's an additional parking structure for hotel guests and possibly DTD patrons. 2000 spots if I'm aligning with what TP2000 posted.

Yup, that’s the new DTD/Hotels parking structure that houses 2,000 new parking spaces.

 

[jocarol]

Eventually they'll need to plan for large numbers of guests getting dropped off by their self-driving cars, then sending their cars off to park themselves somewhere further away. I wonder if they are thinking about that?

 

[Phroobar]

Eventually they'll need to plan for large numbers of guests getting dropped off by their self-driving cars, then sending their cars off to park themselves somewhere further away. I wonder if they are thinking about that?

No. I bet that never occurred to them and never will until at least fifteen years after that becomes common place.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

It doesn't seem like the Simba lot will be razed for a structure, just converted into Downtown Disney parking. So maybe our self driving cars will drop us off there in the future.

 

[Phroobar]

It doesn't seem like the Simba lot will be razed for a structure, just converted into Downtown Disney parking. So maybe our self driving cars will drop us off there in the future.

It's the flying Deloreans that I worry about.

 

[flynnibus]

So this doesn't seem to address many of the mandates that made the eastern gateway such an involved project...

No changing of the security boundaries....
No diffusing the load in the esplanade areas....

This is basically building the garage that has been penciled in all along in the master plan and building a hotel on previous retail space.

Sure seems to undermine the DLH a bit when "its" monorail station goes from disjointed... to full on Having to walk past another hotel... to get to it.

I didn't see any comments about how the west side will handle this new load?
The monorail station being almost directly attached to another 700 rooms will see more demand...
The parking trams are already bagged on for efficiency in time... how do you double the passenger load and not look at the routes and capacities of the trams?
How about the security load on all these new people approaching from the west?

Did they talk about that at all? Did I miss it?

 

[BrianLo]

So this doesn't seem to address many of the mandates that made the eastern gateway such an involved project...

No changing of the security boundaries....
No diffusing the load in the esplanade areas....

This is basically building the garage that has been penciled in all along in the master plan and building a hotel on previous retail space.

Sure seems to undermine the DLH a bit when "its" monorail station goes from disjointed... to full on Having to walk past another hotel... to get to it.

I didn't see any comments about how the west side will handle this new load?
The monorail station being almost directly attached to another 700 rooms will see more demand...
The parking trams are already bagged on for efficiency in time... how do you double the passenger load and not look at the routes and capacities of the trams?
How about the security load on all these new people approaching from the west?

Did they talk about that at all? Did I miss it?

It certainly does nothing to improve the East, but the East only required a major overhaul with a looming rebalance of thousands of cars. The Eastern arrival seems fine enough, other than getting held up at the security bottle neck. The West also has its issues, but hopefully the security boundary they just redid comes up with a bit more permanency in its new design.

They have not mentioned tram efficiency either, hopefully they somehow run them a bit more aggressively. The trams work well enough for WDW, but have their issues certainly at DL operationally.

It does ‘help’ for the most glaring problem being hard and fast parking spot numbers. I think this garage was always inevitable, but should have been what they did years ago to temporize. I also think the Eastern Gateway will come in a reworked version in a different political climate. But it’s ‘ok’ now to hold off for 5 or so years.

 

[flynnibus]

It certainly does nothing to improve the East, but the East only required a major overhaul with a looming rebalance of thousands of cars. The Eastern arrival seems fine enough, other than getting held up at the security bottle neck. The West also has its issues, but hopefully the security boundary they just redid comes up with a bit more permanency in its new design.

Y

But the motivations around the security changes were not due to the new people from the east. They were overall site design changes aimed at changing people flows and where they congregated and are held, etc. moving the boundary outward and diffusing the people movement seem totally abandoned now... and the existing security constraints at the monorail and dtd seem to get worse.

Seems very disjointed... either that voice at the table was beat down... or there could be more to come yet...

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I guess I didn't factor in the additional strain this new parking lot would have on the trams...
And likelihood they could just open up a park entrance into SWL?

 

[asianway]

So this doesn't seem to address many of the mandates that made the eastern gateway such an involved project...

No changing of the security boundaries....
No diffusing the load in the esplanade areas....

This is basically building the garage that has been penciled in all along in the master plan and building a hotel on previous retail space.

Sure seems to undermine the DLH a bit when "its" monorail station goes from disjointed... to full on Having to walk past another hotel... to get to it.

I didn't see any comments about how the west side will handle this new load?
The monorail station being almost directly attached to another 700 rooms will see more demand...
The parking trams are already bagged on for efficiency in time... how do you double the passenger load and not look at the routes and capacities of the trams?
How about the security load on all these new people approaching from the west?

Did they talk about that at all? Did I miss it?

I cant see any way the monorail doesnt become resort guest only in this scenario.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I'm trying to remain cautiously optimistic about this project...but the reality of what it will unleash on the parks is worrisome.

Which brought up another question...when was the last time Disney made a major announcement and everyone thought, "Phew! Finally they understand what they're doing."

 

[flynnibus]

I cant see any way the monorail doesnt become resort guest only in this scenario.

Too easy for Disney to sell it as a perk and be self serving to limit the demand at the same time. Do nothing and 'win' - perfect Disney solution

 

[SSG]

Perhaps making an 'exit only' gate somewhere on the west side of Disneyland would be helpful. Putting guests closer to the parking structures after a long day in the parks could balance things out a bit if getting guests to the main gate when they arrive becomes even more of an issue.