Chi84
Premium Member
Oh okay. The system would be working as intended and therefore better overall.
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News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.
While any given attraction only has X amount of throughput per hour, which line that throughput is coming from makes a difference to the other line, especially when one of the lines (LL) is supposed to be shorter than the other one, necessarily meaning that a higher proportion of riders will need to be taken from than line in order to keep it moving.
hopemax
Well-Known Member
It’s just math. Theoretically, if there are fewer people in LL then more people can be taken from the standby line. 80/20 ratios can be maintained and not switched to 1 standby party per 100 LL.
It’s an implicit acknowledgment that not everyone currently in the LL will transition to standby or purchase Genie+ to remain in the LL at that exact point in time, having the same impact on a guest in standby. Some will find other attractions to experience. Genie+ can sell out a time slot so a specific guest who would approach a ride with a 60 minute wait at 1:00 could enter the LL at 4:30 due to Genie availability instead of 2:00. They would be behind, not in front of the theoretical standby guest who also entered at 1:05. Or not be in the park at all.
Don’t underestimate the impact of putting more people in an environment that “sells out.” DAS doesn’t. Genie+ does.
Chi84
Premium Member
Thanks. Makes sense.
tonythetigerasn
Member
That's the key to me. When LLs are long, or just constantly full, those are the times when standby is brought to a STANDSTILL to catch up with the LL. That leads to 60+ minute waits on a high capacity attraction like Haunted Mansion. It's those peak LL ratios. They're frustrating to everyone.
Disney can also increase G+ slots per hour, making that service more valuable and usable with more inventory.
I would expect wait times to change noticeably if DAS #s (which was maybe 60% of riders at some attractions, remember) were reduced by some significant amount. And I think that's going to make a difference to other guests, both with and without G+.
Yep.
The bloated LLs also add to the standby wait times being underestimated...I see so many posts from DAS users saying they wait longer than standby because the posted standby time is inflated.
For popular rides, I've literally never had that happen...when the actual wait time hasn't been close to posted wait time, it's always been because the posted wait time was too short.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
And what do you think this has to do with DAS? Do you think 7 dwarves mine train would be at 70 minutes or something?
Ayla
Well-Known Member
I am also one that believes it will make the stand by line move faster. The current line proportions is 90% LL to 10% standby. If there are less people in the LL line to pull from, standby will move faster.
In the last 2 weeks lines have been much lower Fri-Mon compared to Tues-Thur which is the exact opposite of what you would expect. Weekends should be more popular and have higher attendance. I suspect they still do, but weekends have less locals because they have Pixie Passes that get blocked. If attendance is higher on the weekends why are lines lower then? Tourists are less likely to have a DAS pass as most didn’t know about the deadline, but most locals still have DAS passes. However we are approaching the 30 day mark, which should be significant for those locals who go often. I’m waiting to see if the short lines come to Tues-Thur in the next week or two.
Chi84
Premium Member
I'm not sure how significant a change can be expected as long as most DAS users are still under the old rules. It seems premature to do much comparison now, but I guess others disagree.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Why do you expect that?
Minnesota disney fan
Well-Known Member
Again, I feel that Disney's lawyers have anticipated all and every type of lawsuit that might come from this change. They have a lot of lawyers and I feel that before this was even a "thing" that they had covered all the bases. I'm sure some will try to sue, but doubt if anything comes from it.
I agree, and I think that's what the PP was alluding to as well.
People need to be careful what they want to sue over...I can absolutely see a scenario where Disney is sued, and they are able to go to court and show that even a reduced DAS population negatively impacts operations to the point where the DAS isn't offered at all.
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
Yep. I just don't know that we can use summer wait times to demonstrate the impact of DAS when summer has been consistently low for a few years now.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Well not exactly - accommodating a disability will almost always “impact operations” - it adds 5 minutes to put a wheelchair or ecv on a bus, but Disney can’t stop accommodating them because it “negatively impacts operations”
True, but it depends on the impact. They don't have to offer the DAS as an accommodation (as they've already shown). They could make everyone use AQR or rider switch if they wanted to. Needing to wait outside the line doesn't have to mean DAS.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
No, not necessarily. If more wheelchairs need to use Disney transport they must be accommodated regardless of the impact.
I think you need to read the result of the lawsuit that Disney won re: GAC v. DAS and how impact to park operations played into the decision.
But to use your completely unrelated example, yes, Disney needs to accommodate all wheelchairs, but that isn't really an impact on operations since the wheelchair users might just have to wait longer for a bus. It's not like Disney has to really do anything to handle more wheelchairs.
Chi84
Premium Member
That’s not comparable. There’s a limit based on physical availability of wheelchair spots.