Summers have been lower wait times for a while though. I'm not sure much of the recent wait times being posted can be attributed to DAS changes alone. But the "is attendance really down" thread talks about that more.
I give quite a bit of credence to Len’s numbers as well as Disney’s actions insofar as the need for changes.Summers have been lower wait times for a while though. I'm not sure much of the recent wait times being posted can be attributed to DAS changes alone. But the "is attendance really down" thread talks about that more.
And thank you for the earlier acknowledgement.
We’ll have no choice but to use it when we go also, with that added expense it no longer makes sense to do several trips a year though, which means it no longer makes sense to spend thousands of dollars every year for Magic keys, we’ll likely take one trip to DL every year or 2, just like we currently take one trip every year or 2 to WDW. Not the end of the world, just unfortunate.
We faced that decision a few years ago. A couple of non-disabled but elderly people with the usual complaints and some very young grandchildren makes standing in long lines not worth it. So it’s Genie+/ILLs or go somewhere else. So far the kids are pushing for WDW but I’m not sure how much longer it will be feasible.
I think you misunderstand my intent here. For this text I’m elaborating how the bypass a wait can be used to address something that in itself… was not an inability to wait… by rather an alternative way to address some other specific limitation.
About ADA, sure. Disney and their policy, who knows. Everybody knows that no president of any organization can ever possibly speak without all accurate information. I would take their knowledge of the situation with a grain of salt. It's possible their getting most of their infrom one side which isn't a really accurate representation of the situation.
I honestly doubt they care of a lot. For every person that might be against it there will be another person that is for it. Every situation is so divided right now disney probably accurately guessed that there would be no real lasting impacts from press.
What is ideal. Continue with DAS for everyone?
Pre-books did include a few of what most would consider E-ticket rides. Each park had 2 or 3 rides that could not be pre-booked. Here’s the popular rides that could be booked:
Enough to challenge in court? We'll see.
I'm not debating Len's numbers with regards to the need for changes. But I also don't think less DAS is going to drive down standby waits much. It may drive down LL waits (assuming those slots aren't moved to just being sold for G+), but I don't think it will significantly change standby (and IIRC, even len's comments were about lowering LL waits, not standby)
Literally everyone is miserable outside in the heat during the summer in FL.
THIS! Everyone is hot and miserable.
But there has been an increasing awareness of how planning needs to go into visiting Walt Disney World. With more people doing more in-depth research you’re going to have more people learning about DAS. Disney also has higher than average visitation for those with disabilities. That tripling of user only took the percentage to about 8% of visitors, higher than your previous guess of about 5% of the population qualifying, which means they were likely starting from a position of under use.
Yeah, Disney can withstand the complaints...I think people forget what an uproar there was in 2013 when GAC was ended. Plenty of people claiming that Disney would back down, given the bad publicity.
I thought the problem was too many DAS people in the LLs. If people are denied DAS, they have a choice between going standby with accommodations or using the paid system. So more people in standby or more people using the LLs but with the paid system’s limitations.I'm not debating Len's numbers with regards to the need for changes. But I also don't think less DAS is going to drive down standby waits much. It may drive down LL waits (assuming those slots aren't moved to just being sold for G+), but I don't think it will significantly change standby (and IIRC, even len's comments were about lowering LL waits, not standby)
DAS was in full force last year when July 4th was so low for attendance that national news outlets wrote about it. When summer has been slow with lower waits for multiple years, looking at this year's waits being lower again and saying well this must be because of DAS doesn't make sense to me.
Yes, the problem was too many DAS in LL. People have been hypothesizing that standby waits would drop significantly because of these DAS changes - I am disagreeing with that hypothesis.
