New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Chi84

Premium Member
Surprised this wasn’t posted yet.

I may have missed it, but did the article say anything about the ability to bypass lines by buying Genie+ or ILLs? It makes it sound as though it’s DAS or standing in ridiculously long lines, which is not the case.
 

Angel Ariel

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We just got back from a 3 day trip to Disneyland and have decided we’re not renewing our keys. We decided not to use DAS and it was miserable, we didn’t get to the parks until 1pm Wed and only managed 3 rides, 1 in the afternoon and 2 more after sundown. We caved and renewed DAS Thursday morning and we still only managed 5 rides before the heat sent us back to the hotel and 2 more rides after returning after sundown, we did rope drop again this morning and managed 5 rides before we left at noon again.

There’s just no way we can justify the cost of the Disney parks without DAS, it sucks but it is what it is, looks like cruises, Europe, and road trips will get our vacation dollars from now on.
I'm truly sorry to hear that. 😢 with all sincerity, I hope you enjoy your trips to new locations in the future 🫂
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
“That kind of change actually goes against the ways that the disability community has worked to frame disability policy.” - President of American Association of People with Disabilities.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
Right, and there’s a quote from Disney stating that they are providing disability accommodations.

It’s not DAS or nothing.
I guess I needed to post more of the quote -

““When I saw the changes, one of the things that was so concerning to me was the way that the new eligibility requirements really restrict the types of disabilities that can get this pass,” Town said. “That kind of change actually goes against the ways that the disability community has worked to frame disability policy.”
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I guess I needed to post more of the quote -

““When I saw the changes, one of the things that was so concerning to me was the way that the new eligibility requirements really restrict the types of disabilities that can get this pass,” Town said. “That kind of change actually goes against the ways that the disability community has worked to frame disability policy.”
The accommodations are not based on type of disability because the ADA prohibits Disney from asking about the nature and extent of a person’s disability. So the accommodation is based on questions about the need to avoid standing in conventional lines.
 

Angel Ariel

Well-Known Member
The accommodations are not based on type of disability because the ADA prohibits Disney from asking about the nature and extent of a person’s disability. So the accommodation is based on questions about the need to avoid standing in conventional lines.
Disney's shootings themselves in the foot with that perception with their wording re: autism and developmental disabilities. What the woman said is understandable given how they've chosen to frame DAS.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
The accommodations are not based on type of disability because the ADA prohibits Disney from asking about the nature and extent of a person’s disability. So the accommodation is based on questions about the need to avoid standing in conventional lines.
Well, explain that to the president of American association of people with disabilities because she didn’t seem to see it that way. I’m guessing she is pretty knowledgeable about the ADA.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Disney's shootings themselves in the foot with that perception with their wording re: autism and developmental disabilities. What the woman said is understandable given how they've chosen to frame DAS.
They’re trying to accommodate the type of cognitive disability that cannot be remedied by in-line accommodations.

If you want to see a definitive end to all line-skip accommodations, look for a lawsuit that alleges that Disney is violating the ADA by discriminating based on type of disability.
 

Angel Ariel

Well-Known Member
They’re trying to accommodate the type of cognitive disability that cannot be remedied by in-line accommodations.

If you want to see a definitive end to all line-skip accommodations, look for a lawsuit that alleges that Disney is violating the ADA by discriminating based on type of disability.
As I've said repeatedly - I don't disagree with what Disney is doing. But I can see how someone who is likely not enmeshed in Disney-ness can read Disney's new statements about DAS re: autism and developmental disabilities and come out with the quote she did. The website quote is likely all she was given to comment on. Doesn't mean I think she's right - there's a lot that NBC article doesn't cover well. But that's not unusual outside of Disney-specific sites.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
As I've said repeatedly - I don't disagree with what Disney is doing. But I can see how someone who is likely not enmeshed in Disney-ness can read Disney's new statements about DAS re: autism and developmental disabilities and come out with the quote she did. The website quote is likely all she was given to comment on. Doesn't mean I think she's right - there's a lot that NBC article doesn't cover well. But that's not unusual outside of Disney-specific sites.
You have been exceptionally reasonable and articulate throughout this thread. It is much appreciated.
 

Angel Ariel

Well-Known Member
They may be okay with the publicity. It looks as though they’re addressing issues with wait times.
Summers have been lower wait times for a while though. I'm not sure much of the recent wait times being posted can be attributed to DAS changes alone. But the "is attendance really down" thread talks about that more.

And thank you for the earlier acknowledgement. 🙏
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Summers have been lower wait times for a while though. I'm not sure much of the recent wait times being posted can be attributed to DAS changes alone. But the "is attendance really down" thread talks about that more.

And thank you for the earlier acknowledgement. 🙏
I give quite a bit of credence to Len’s numbers as well as Disney’s actions insofar as the need for changes.

I think accommodations would work better if our laws were modified. Expecting businesses to accommodate the disabled without any verification is not reasonable. Look at what is happening with service animals.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I can tell you for a fact our family wouldn’t visit without Genie+/ILLs. And that adds so much to the cost.
We’ll have no choice but to use it when we go also, with that added expense it no longer makes sense to do several trips a year though, which means it no longer makes sense to spend thousands of dollars every year for Magic keys, we’ll likely take one trip to DL every year or 2, just like we currently take one trip every year or 2 to WDW. Not the end of the world, just unfortunate.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
We’ll have no choice but to use it when we go also, with that added expense it no longer makes sense to do several trips a year though, which means it no longer makes sense to spend thousands of dollars every year for Magic keys, we’ll likely take one trip to DL every year or 2, just like we currently take one trip every year or 2 to WDW. Not the end of the world, just unfortunate.
We faced that decision a few years ago. A couple of non-disabled but elderly people with the usual complaints and some very young grandchildren makes standing in long lines not worth it. So it’s Genie+/ILLs or go somewhere else. So far the kids are pushing for WDW but I’m not sure how much longer it will be feasible.
 

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