No you have been lol.
But you have very succinctly articulated these facts in the past and I don’t think anyone is disputing them.
DAS needs to change.
The question is how.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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But you have very succinctly articulated these facts in the past and I don’t think anyone is disputing them.
DAS needs to change.
The question is how.
Chi84
Premium Member
You were. Thank you for responding.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
That is not equal access per the ADA though. Because healthy people are not limited to only riding something one time. That is a horrible idea that really should put a bad taste in anyone's mouth. Some of you keep forgetting that DAS is not a front of the line pass. People wait whatever the posted standby time is and then wait some more in the LL.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
My issue with this is the GAC was an instant, front of the line access. So that meant the people could easily ride things over and over to get those numbers. DAS people wait the posted standby time, so they are not riding even remotely close to the amount of times that someone could with GAC. So you really can't use those numbers to estimate DAS use because it is not the same type of accommodation.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Ive said that as well but they couldnt get away with bc then you are not giving them the same experience as regular guests but honestly it is something they should do. Listen im guilty of re riding certain attractions does that make me someone who “abuses” the system. Not really but i know others who would disagree. There is no perfect system but there are things they can do to make things better.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Its not even a remotely close comparison & with inflated wait times your selections are spread out even more. Hence why i still buy Genie + and use both. Listen the “advantage” lies in a couple spots. The 2 pre bookings. Makes no sense why the volunteered this addition especially if they knew the system was overloaded. The new system requiring a 10 min wait will also lessen the load because i would tap in and book another DAS right away. The you have the fact that you can eat dinner and have a ride waiting when you are finished but thats simply the same logic people use when stacking Genie only thing is w DAS you just get the 1.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
I completely agree and have been saying it since they started it, that those 2 preselects should have never been a thing. I think that is when the abuse started in earnest. I think that they started that as a way to incentivize people to use the online chat. After all, in the beginning, people where waiting 5+ hours just to speak to someone.
I would also be just fine with them not allowing you to go on another ride while you are waiting for your DAS return time. If they got rid of those 2 very reasonable things, I think that DAS would not be so appealing to the cheaters.
I understand though why the DAS return time is open ended. Many can not make that hour window if they are having issues with their disability.
Absolutely!
seabreezept813
Well-Known Member
I think that makes sense and it doesn’t tend to be the huge ones RotR etc. But maybe that could just be like an add on and not standard to help minimize some abuse. I’m thinking of what Len said about the connection to open Tiana’s. Would limiting it to one DAS use a day alleviate some of the concern of the capacity of the newest rides, especially those requiring a virtual queue.
Patcheslee
Well-Known Member
How much has party size fluctuated from first implementation for GAS and now? I thought the May 20th was maximum 4 or immediate family, whichever is larger. It seems a reasonable balance for families of 5 or more.
seabreezept813
Well-Known Member
Sorry to be clear my thought was about Tron, Guardians, the ones with virtual queues, which for rhe most part in the first year of opening most guests can only ride once. But the rerides could be an added on accommodation rather than standard, determined at the interview.
Grantwil93
Well-Known Member
That 50-75% range is exactly what the ride I work at sees daily, at least when im at the scanning position(just my own observation, we dont have hard numbers available). Pretty cool that you were able to figure this out like this. I don't know what is abuse and is not(frankly, very few ppl are actually qualified to make that determination, none of which are front line CM's), what I can say is I fully believe at least half of the guests in a LL at any given time are using DAS. Which, removed from the abuse conversation, has a huge impact on operations in and of itself. Again, I'm not at all saying I want less ppl being accommodated or anything. Just sharing perspective.
Do you have any idea of the percentage of wheelchair and ECV returns for Space Mountain? Since they’re all effectively issued a DAS return if they want to ride, that attraction ironically may just see it’s problem exacerbated by pushing more people to mobility aids.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Oh, I’d say that in this thread and a predecessor thread there were a lot of folks who were arguing that there was very little to no DAS abuse.
shambolicdefending
Well-Known Member
Do we have any idea how the "return to line" option will operate? I'm trying envision a scenario that isn't a huge logistical cluster...
hopemax
Well-Known Member
How about this. We know attendance is an issue. What if it isn't just about prices, but people who refuse to buy Genie+ / ILL are getting sick and tired of slow moving standby lines, especially when the LL backs up and the merge CM starts holding the standby for several minutes, or letting one party in per 100 people in the LL. These families, say, "Enough." And they take the thousands of dollars that they've spent on tickets, hotels, food and merchandise and go home never to return.
Can Disney replace that lost revenue by selling more $15 ILLS and $30 Genie+?
They can't keep the standby line so painful that people go to Universal or Europe instead. Not every guest will transition to Genie+ / I LL. Take your own family: how many additional LL and Genie+ would Disney have to sell to replace the revenue of your family not going anymore?
While I agree Disney would like to sell more Genie+, if they are bleeding other types of families at an unsustainable rate, they can help their bottom line more by relieving pressure on the standby queues at least so they aren't having to hold standby for long periods just to keep up with LL. Wait times probably won't go down. But it maybe won't be like what we keep running into... 65 minute waits turning into a 100 minute wait because at some point the LL gets out of control.
Fido Chuckwagon
Well-Known Member
Perhaps you should wait and see what Disney announces before you reflexively dismiss their solution as unworkable. I still don’t understand how this isn’t a better solution for you. You can’t wait in lines that are more than 20 minutes and there are a decent number of lightning lanes that are more than 20 minutes! I’m going to give Disney the benefit of the doubt that they’re not a bunch of idiots and have a plan to handle solo travelers. Given that this sounds like a much better solution for you.
Wait Times, Genie+ Availability, & Dining Reservations | Thrill Data
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1. For the past year, from April 2023 - April 2024, on a month by month basis, the monthly average posted wait time has been:
A: May: 12 minutes;
B: June: 13 minutes;
C: July: 12 minutes;
D: August: 12 minutes;
E: September: 12 minutes;
F: October: 13 minutes;
G: November: 15 minutes;
H: December: 17 minutes;
I: January: 17 minutes
J: February: 16 minutes;
K: March: 15 minutes;
L: April 14 minutes;
It is important to of course not that these are the posted wait times, not the actual wait times, as it is well known that Disney’s wait times are nearly universally inflated to some degree versus actual wait time.
Please note that these are average times, not times for specific days during a specific time frame. So, the times could be less than 12 minutes - even 0 - and more than 17 minutes - even 20+Perhaps you should wait and see what Disney announces before you reflexively dismiss their solution as unworkable. I still don’t understand how this isn’t a better solution for you. You can’t wait in lines that are more than 20 minutes and there are a decent number of lightning lanes that are more than 20 minutes! I’m going to give Disney the benefit of the doubt that they’re not a bunch of idiots and have a plan to handle solo travelers. Given that this sounds like a much better solution for you.
Wait Times, Genie+ Availability, & Dining Reservations | Thrill Data
Use data to power your vacations! Learn what to ride and when with wait times at Disney World, Disneyland, Universal Orlando, Universal Hollywood, Six Flags, Cedar Point, Kings Island and many more.www.thrill-data.com
1. For the past year, from April 2023 - April 2024, on a month by month basis, the monthly average posted wait time has been:
A: May: 12 minutes;
B: June: 13 minutes;
C: July: 12 minutes;
D: August: 12 minutes;
E: September: 12 minutes;
F: October: 13 minutes;
G: November: 15 minutes;
H: December: 17 minutes;
I: January: 17 minutes
J: February: 16 minutes;
K: March: 15 minutes;
L: April 14 minutes;
It is important to of course not that these are the posted wait times, not the actual wait times, as it is well known that Disney’s wait times are nearly universally inflated to some degree versus actual wait time.
Fido Chuckwagon
Well-Known Member
If Disney has excelled at one thing over the years above all else it’s crowd and line management. I’m cautiously optimistic that this isn’t going to be the cluster**** that people think it will be.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Also important to note that average doesn’t tell you the deviation either… and for a number like 15 to be average… you’d expect a lot of times to be greater than 15
